-water Injection-
09-09-2003, 11:41 AM
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You posted this. let me break it down for you using RED to higlight some of what you said.
Originally Posted by ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
09-09-2003, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:41 AM
[quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM']
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
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And yes I believe that. Its still my opinion. Its no less my opinion that when you said you need an intercooler with the water injection. You have no more evidence than I do.
Lets end this, its getting petty.
09-09-2003, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:43 AM
[quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:41 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM']
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
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And yes I believe that. Its still my opinion. Its no less my opinion that when you said you need an intercooler with the water injection. You have no more evidence than I do.
Lets end this, its getting petty. [/quote]
Yes it is getting petty.. and I was boosting 1.6-1.7 kgcm of boost on a T70 fror a while and I KNOW that a intercooler with water injection work. Igy, 1Bad180sx and a few other people over here are also running it. Not to mention the other 100's of people around the USA. There for it is proven.
In your post you stated it like it was a fact, and it is not, that is the point I'm trying to get threw you thick skull that you just can't grasp. Anyone here should be able to see that. Why you can't is somthing that only god can explain.
09-09-2003, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:53 AM
[quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:43 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:41 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM']
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
[/COLOR] [/quote]
And yes I believe that. Its still my opinion. Its no less my opinion that when you said you need an intercooler with the water injection. You have no more evidence than I do.
Lets end this, its getting petty. [/quote]
Yes it is getting petty.. and I was boosting 1.6-1.7 kgcm of boost on a T70 fror a while and I KNOW that a intercooler with water injection work. Igy, 1Bad180sx and a few other people over here are also running it. Not to mention the other 100's of people around the USA. There for it is proven.
In your post you stated it like it was a fact, and it is not, that is the point I'm trying to get threw you thick skull that you just can't grasp. Anyone here should be able to see that. Why you can't is somthing that only god can explain. [/quote]
I know an intercooler is proven to be reliable thats why I said the Water Injection MUST be bullet proof.
Water injection has been proven to run on other cars without the need for an IC, so yes I believe it can be done on an FD too.
I never once said I did it, I stated what I believe to be true, just like you are. Dont like it? TOO BAD.
09-09-2003, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 09:05 AM
[quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:53 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:43 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:41 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM']
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
[/COLOR] [/quote]
And yes I believe that. Its still my opinion. Its no less my opinion that when you said you need an intercooler with the water injection. You have no more evidence than I do.
Lets end this, its getting petty. [/quote]
Yes it is getting petty.. and I was boosting 1.6-1.7 kgcm of boost on a T70 fror a while and I KNOW that a intercooler with water injection work. Igy, 1Bad180sx and a few other people over here are also running it. Not to mention the other 100's of people around the USA. There for it is proven.
In your post you stated it like it was a fact, and it is not, that is the point I'm trying to get threw you thick skull that you just can't grasp. Anyone here should be able to see that. Why you can't is somthing that only god can explain. [/quote]
I know an intercooler is proven to be reliable thats why I said the Water Injection MUST be bullet proof.
Water injection has been proven to run on other cars without the need for an IC, so yes I believe it can be done on an FD too.
I never once said I did it, I stated what I believe to be true, just like you are. Dont like it? TOO BAD. [/quote]
Lucky for me the general person who visits this forum isn't as dense as you because when they read all of this crap I'm sure they will get the point plain and simple. You on the other hand are some where in your own world. Good luck with your water injection with out an intercooler project, and when you prove it to work then post the proof. A few credible eye witnesses would be nice and I'm sure there are a bunch of people here that would love to watch you try and do it with a few good boosted runs on the dyno. Ah, and it you could attempt to make something other than just 300 hp it would be nice too.
09-09-2003, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 09:18 AM
[quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 09:05 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:53 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:43 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:41 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM']
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
[/COLOR] [/quote]
And yes I believe that. Its still my opinion. Its no less my opinion that when you said you need an intercooler with the water injection. You have no more evidence than I do.
Lets end this, its getting petty. [/quote]
Yes it is getting petty.. and I was boosting 1.6-1.7 kgcm of boost on a T70 fror a while and I KNOW that a intercooler with water injection work. Igy, 1Bad180sx and a few other people over here are also running it. Not to mention the other 100's of people around the USA. There for it is proven.
In your post you stated it like it was a fact, and it is not, that is the point I'm trying to get threw you thick skull that you just can't grasp. Anyone here should be able to see that. Why you can't is somthing that only god can explain. [/quote]
I know an intercooler is proven to be reliable thats why I said the Water Injection MUST be bullet proof.
Water injection has been proven to run on other cars without the need for an IC, so yes I believe it can be done on an FD too.
I never once said I did it, I stated what I believe to be true, just like you are. Dont like it? TOO BAD. [/quote]
Lucky for me the general person who visits this forum isn't as dense as you because when they read all of this crap I'm sure they will get the point plain and simple. You on the other hand are some where in your own world. Good luck with your water injection with out an intercooler project, and when you prove it to work then post the proof. A few credible eye witnesses would be nice and I'm sure there are a bunch of people here that would love to watch you try and do it with a few good boosted runs on the dyno. Ah, and it you could attempt to make something other than just 300 hp it would be nice too. [/quote]
Thank you for your kind words. Its no wonder the other forum gets far more traffic than this one.
09-09-2003, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 09:20 AM
[quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 09:18 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 09:05 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:53 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:43 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:41 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 2 2003, 12:17 PM']
For option 1, You need to realize that with the Water Injection on, the intercooler is doing nothing more than causing pressure drop and lag. you dont need it except if the water injection fails. At any point in this car if you only tune for water injection and it fails, you are screwed. its very possible to have a very reliable water injection system, but you need to make sure its reliable.
[/COLOR] [/quote]
And yes I believe that. Its still my opinion. Its no less my opinion that when you said you need an intercooler with the water injection. You have no more evidence than I do.
Lets end this, its getting petty. [/quote]
Yes it is getting petty.. and I was boosting 1.6-1.7 kgcm of boost on a T70 fror a while and I KNOW that a intercooler with water injection work. Igy, 1Bad180sx and a few other people over here are also running it. Not to mention the other 100's of people around the USA. There for it is proven.
In your post you stated it like it was a fact, and it is not, that is the point I'm trying to get threw you thick skull that you just can't grasp. Anyone here should be able to see that. Why you can't is somthing that only god can explain. [/quote]
I know an intercooler is proven to be reliable thats why I said the Water Injection MUST be bullet proof.
Water injection has been proven to run on other cars without the need for an IC, so yes I believe it can be done on an FD too.
I never once said I did it, I stated what I believe to be true, just like you are. Dont like it? TOO BAD. [/quote]
Lucky for me the general person who visits this forum isn't as dense as you because when they read all of this crap I'm sure they will get the point plain and simple. You on the other hand are some where in your own world. Good luck with your water injection with out an intercooler project, and when you prove it to work then post the proof. A few credible eye witnesses would be nice and I'm sure there are a bunch of people here that would love to watch you try and do it with a few good boosted runs on the dyno. Ah, and it you could attempt to make something other than just 300 hp it would be nice too. [/quote]
Thank you for your kind words. Its no wonder the other forum gets far more traffic than this one. [/quote]
You are more than welcome
09-09-2003, 01:21 PM
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bigger forum doesn not equal better forum... I post on both and I find myself reading this one mre for some reason. In my opinon both have alot to offer interms of information, only an idiot would pick steak and beer when he can have both and each one complements the other.
I see your point ZeroBanger, it can be done, it is done,and it does work, BUT it also fails. And the chances of it failing are not acceptable to some people who dont have thousands to spend on repairs.
Race car motors can accept those risks because they rebuild their motors every race, people who use their fd to drive to work every day have slightly different goals.
simply put its possible but chances of falier outweight the gain for people who drive on the streets every day. For me personaly even 10% falier is to high. Neither do I have alot of money (actually I make 2 grand a month and dont pay rent or bills for now so I DO have lot) BUT, I still dont want to spend the money if I dont have to. I rather put it towards a better turbo or a 20b.
I see your point ZeroBanger, it can be done, it is done,and it does work, BUT it also fails. And the chances of it failing are not acceptable to some people who dont have thousands to spend on repairs.
Race car motors can accept those risks because they rebuild their motors every race, people who use their fd to drive to work every day have slightly different goals.
simply put its possible but chances of falier outweight the gain for people who drive on the streets every day. For me personaly even 10% falier is to high. Neither do I have alot of money (actually I make 2 grand a month and dont pay rent or bills for now so I DO have lot) BUT, I still dont want to spend the money if I dont have to. I rather put it towards a better turbo or a 20b.
09-09-2003, 09:32 PM
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no one replied to this is general... the question doesnt really belong anywhere else.. then again this thread is a good location.
ok, guys who run water injection know about making it 50/50 with methanol (windshild washing fluid), and it is suposed to add torque as well as other good things. Now if its ok to spray it in is it ok to put some (a little) like a mug of it in to your tank? i mean either way it ends up in the engine right.... eh guys?
i know it goes thought he fule injectors, so by adding methanol the amount of gas will be less but methanol burns slower giving torque right, so is it a good tradeoff? I am not thinking of it as a regulary thng, just try it once or twice. Will it hurt the engine?
ok, guys who run water injection know about making it 50/50 with methanol (windshild washing fluid), and it is suposed to add torque as well as other good things. Now if its ok to spray it in is it ok to put some (a little) like a mug of it in to your tank? i mean either way it ends up in the engine right.... eh guys?
i know it goes thought he fule injectors, so by adding methanol the amount of gas will be less but methanol burns slower giving torque right, so is it a good tradeoff? I am not thinking of it as a regulary thng, just try it once or twice. Will it hurt the engine?