-water Injection-
09-09-2003, 10:24 AM
#91
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Excuse me? that 75C intake temps was refering to when my car was parked and heatsoaked after sitting for 30 minutes. Now if you would read on you would see that that I said by the time I was in 4th gear my intake temps had droped to 30C or so. I'm claiming anything any different there than I am here, please watch your self.
By 4th gear they had dropped to 30'c, what about in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, you engine will blow in those gears as well.
---- my water injection was running in all of those gears, I have no fear of my car detonating, regardless of what my intake temps show. Remember its the sensor that is heatsoaked..which is why it shows high temps. By the time the air gets into the engine its been cooled. I have no fears of running lean because the water injection will compensate.
you have a magic intercooler. Sorry to dispute you. Putting a large IC infront of the radiator does not affect flow to the radiator, sorry to think it could. I was wrong of course.
No, I have a good intercooler and a good bumper and I know how to build my car so it won't over heat.
----Fair enough ----
Ok I am 33, so dont call me some kid, ok ? What you or anyone else does to your own car is your business. I did not tell anyone to do it and even said a few times that the system needs to be reliable.
You have implied several times that you don't need a intercooler. O' and what I do to my car and all my customers cars is my BUSINESS because I do this every day and it's how I make a living.
---- I Implied nothing, I outwrite SAID it. I said that if you set the water injection up correctly you dont need an IC. I also said that the IC is more reliable and you would have to make sure the WI doesn't fail so under most circumstances it would not be recommended.
You are entitled to your opinion and I will say again it can be done. I think we can quit arguing the point, until someone proves it cant be done I'm going to believe it can, since other cars are able to do it without an IC.
And you again imply that a intercooler isn't needed. Other cars can do it because they can survive some predetonation, a rotary can't no matter what you do to it. The only way to keep a rotary engine together is to make it so it'll never knock and water injection by itself isn't going to do it because it comes online a day late and a $1 short of when the engne needs to see cooler air intake temps. A RX-7 isn't just anouther car.
--- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
By 4th gear they had dropped to 30'c, what about in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, you engine will blow in those gears as well.
---- my water injection was running in all of those gears, I have no fear of my car detonating, regardless of what my intake temps show. Remember its the sensor that is heatsoaked..which is why it shows high temps. By the time the air gets into the engine its been cooled. I have no fears of running lean because the water injection will compensate.
you have a magic intercooler. Sorry to dispute you. Putting a large IC infront of the radiator does not affect flow to the radiator, sorry to think it could. I was wrong of course.
No, I have a good intercooler and a good bumper and I know how to build my car so it won't over heat.
----Fair enough ----
Ok I am 33, so dont call me some kid, ok ? What you or anyone else does to your own car is your business. I did not tell anyone to do it and even said a few times that the system needs to be reliable.
You have implied several times that you don't need a intercooler. O' and what I do to my car and all my customers cars is my BUSINESS because I do this every day and it's how I make a living.
---- I Implied nothing, I outwrite SAID it. I said that if you set the water injection up correctly you dont need an IC. I also said that the IC is more reliable and you would have to make sure the WI doesn't fail so under most circumstances it would not be recommended.
You are entitled to your opinion and I will say again it can be done. I think we can quit arguing the point, until someone proves it cant be done I'm going to believe it can, since other cars are able to do it without an IC.
And you again imply that a intercooler isn't needed. Other cars can do it because they can survive some predetonation, a rotary can't no matter what you do to it. The only way to keep a rotary engine together is to make it so it'll never knock and water injection by itself isn't going to do it because it comes online a day late and a $1 short of when the engne needs to see cooler air intake temps. A RX-7 isn't just anouther car.
--- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
09-09-2003, 10:49 AM
#92
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--- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
09-09-2003, 11:03 AM
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--- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
09-09-2003, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:03 AM
--- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
09-09-2003, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:10 AM
[quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:03 AM'] --- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
I dont care if you are MOD. You can't handle anyone else having an opinion that is different than yours.
Your probably one of these 16 year old kids.
All I stated was my opinion, you cant leave it at that. Why not let this post get back on topic and accept the fact that we have different opinions?
09-09-2003, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:13 AM
[quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:10 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:03 AM'] --- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
I dont care if you are MOD. You can't handle anyone else having an opinion that is different than yours.
Your probably one of these 16 year old kids.
All I stated was my opinion, you cant leave it at that. Why not let this post get back on topic and accept the fact that we have different opinions? [/quote]
The problem is you don't say it's my OPINON that you can POSSIBLY do it. You strait out say it can be done and that it works great. People come here and read the forums to get information and to try and find new ways of improving their cars. If your going to make an OPINION maybe you should state that it hasn't been proven and that you haven't proven that it can work as well. So NOW after baddgering you about all the crap you written it is only your OPINION that it can be done. I can live with that.
09-09-2003, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:24 AM
[quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:13 AM'] [quote name='Dragon' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:10 AM'] [quote name='ZeroBanger' date='Sep 9 2003, 08:03 AM'] --- Again you are just speculating. you have no proof, until I see evidence that an rx7 cant do the same thing that other engines do I will give it the benefit of the doubt
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
Since you’re the one who is saying it can be done. Make over 400hp running just your water injection and no intercooler for a few months while boosting it and prove me wrong. Then you can see your **** will blow and you'll have your proof at the cost of your $. You can't prove it will work and you are not making enough power to even test your theory, so until it can be proven that it will work stop posting crap saying it will when you don't even know, because some young kid that makes $5.50 a hour doesn't go out and blow his car up that he can't afford the way it is because he listened to you and bought just water injection because it was cheaper than a intercooler.
---some young kid that makes 5.50 per hour has no business owning an FD. Im allowed to post my opinion and my opinion is that it WILL work. This topic is about water injection and I will not be censored on what I say. I strongly believe in it and I will NOT quit posting my belief just to satisfy you. You dont like it? Too bad.
A good intercooler and water injection has been proven over and over again to be very effective. For being 33 years old and all grown up, you really just don't get it do you.
I believe the IC would make a great back up to the WI, but if you can make the WI Reliable as an IC you will not need an IC. Thats my opinion like it or not.
I dont care if you are MOD. You can't handle anyone else having an opinion that is different than yours.
Your probably one of these 16 year old kids.
All I stated was my opinion, you cant leave it at that. Why not let this post get back on topic and accept the fact that we have different opinions? [/quote]
The problem is you don't say it's my OPINON that you can POSSIBLY do it. You strait out say it can be done and that it works great. People come here and read the forums to get information and to try and find new ways of improving their cars. If your going to make an OPINION maybe you should state that it hasn't been proven and that you haven't proven that it can work as well. So NOW after baddgering you about all the crap you written it is only your OPINION that it can be done. I can live with that. [/quote]
That is not true. I NEVER SAID IT WORKS GREAT. I said that it can be done and yes thats my opinion. I believe it can be done, I never said I did it and never said it works great.
You need to learn how to read.