NYC Transit Strike!
12-20-2005, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='788556' date='Dec 20 2005, 08:39 PM
so then I say who flies the plane back so you dont have to pay for it to sit there? then you tell me I cant read? WHo owns the plane that is letting you only pay for the actuall flying time? ITs rented by the hour, so someone has to pay for it to sit there at the airport while you shop dont they? Im not talking about airport fees, im talking about paying the owner of the plane to use it.
BTW-atlantic city is over a 2 hour drive to NYC, its quite far away
when renting an airplane, you only pay for the time it's running. Not sitting. i see the confusion there.
i only mentioned AC because they tried to hit me with a $10 parking fee. it's almost 2.5 hours by car from my house, but i flew direct in 33 minutes.
12-20-2005, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='788563' date='Dec 20 2005, 08:48 PM
so the guy who owns the plane doesnt care that its just sitting somewhere and lets you pay for actuall flight time only?
wish everything was like that- hotels only paying for when your in the room, car rentals only when you actually drive the car, etc..
yes. i joined the local aero club. we have around 8-9 airplanes. if someone takes one for a full day, it's not a big deal. there are more.
it's even better if you know someone who owns one.. if they let you take it, you normally only have to pay for fuel.
i read an article not too long ago, about how a lot of people in LA started buying small aircraft, and were "flightpooling" to work because it saved so much time, and the benefits were worth the added cost. if split up enough, it won't break the bank..
but hey, were just talking about one shopping trip.
12-20-2005, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='788565' date='Dec 20 2005, 08:49 PM
what if it sits for a week?
i believe you are required to pay for one flight hour per day.
no sense in renting an airplane long term if you aren't going to fly it..
if you are going for say... 6 days, it's wiser to take a long trip, that way if you fly 3 hours down and 3 hours back, you don't owe extra.. you are paying for the 6 hours that you flew.. if you only flew 4, you would still be required to pay for 6.
12-20-2005, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='788558' date='Dec 20 2005, 08:41 PM
that hardly sounds like ANYONE can do it?
94t, myself and a few other people on this board fly.
all you need is a 3rd class medical, and a flight school.
it becomes like driving after a while.
12-20-2005, 10:57 PM
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if I owned a plane I dont know if I would be so thrilled about letting people take it for $70 a hour just because they joined the aero club for $25.
thats really nice of them, im not nearly as nice
the flip side of that would be borrowing someone's plane, who knows how they maintain it?
thats really nice of them, im not nearly as nice
the flip side of that would be borrowing someone's plane, who knows how they maintain it?
12-20-2005, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='788571' date='Dec 20 2005, 08:57 PM
if I owned a plane I dont know if I would be so thrilled about letting people take it for $70 a hour just because they joined the aero club for $25.
thats really nice of them, im not nearly as nice
the flip side of that would be borrowing someone's plane, who knows how they maintain it?
an aero club is a business. i've never seen one before with just one plane and a picky owner.
every place i've rented from requires that you take at least a one hour ride with an instructor from that center to make sure that i can fly up to their standards..
you have to take the good with the bad. a lot of times airplanes sit for days at a time because of weather or just because flying gets expensive period. thats why there are minimum flight hours per day.. the more airplanes you have, normally the lower required # of hours you have to rent for per day.
i pay 25 a month for insurance/dues... there was also a 150 fee to join.
borrowing a plane is usually pretty safe. they are subject to yearly inspections, and engine inspections every so many hours.. overhauls/rebuilds/engine replacements are mandatory.. it's not like borrowing someone's car with bald tires..
smaller airplanes also have pretty good glide ratio's.. in the event of an engine failure, landing in a nearby field isn't difficult.. people have even put them down on interstates and highways.
i've seen some pretty shitty planes in general aviation, but the overall quality of safety is high.
12-21-2005, 12:00 AM
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just so i have these figures right... it takes 1 hour round trip, assuming that al guardia doesn't lock a la's (light aircraft) in a holding pattern for any amount of time.
Last time I flew into laguardia I think it took about an hour to get through the city, so figure no additional time for the strike, cab fair prolly about $75 each way, that's $150 and you are into the trip 3 hours, that's $210, of course the people you brough with you are hungry, so gotta get some food, that's another hour $70. Now yer gonna want at least 6 hours shopping, prolly more like 8, but let;s say 6 so that's $350, another 2 hours for dinner, cause that's what it's gonna take in manhatten on a shopping night $140.
That's $920 for a day of shopping via aircraft in manhatten, this is of course not allowing for any holding time, or more then usual traffic time while taking a cab.
Doesn't seem cheap to me at all, but hey, i can fly on a heavy from florida to la guardia cheaper then that
Last time I flew into laguardia I think it took about an hour to get through the city, so figure no additional time for the strike, cab fair prolly about $75 each way, that's $150 and you are into the trip 3 hours, that's $210, of course the people you brough with you are hungry, so gotta get some food, that's another hour $70. Now yer gonna want at least 6 hours shopping, prolly more like 8, but let;s say 6 so that's $350, another 2 hours for dinner, cause that's what it's gonna take in manhatten on a shopping night $140.
That's $920 for a day of shopping via aircraft in manhatten, this is of course not allowing for any holding time, or more then usual traffic time while taking a cab.
Doesn't seem cheap to me at all, but hey, i can fly on a heavy from florida to la guardia cheaper then that
12-21-2005, 01:38 AM
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Are we arguing about airplanes?
Any private pilot can rent a plane, this is of course if you have a sign off by the company that rents planes. Assuming you have that, it cost anywhere from 50-100 bucks and hour for most small airplanes that hold 2-4 people. I took my dad flying last Xmas for 2 hours and 90 bucks.
Now as far as flying into NYC, class B airspace, you must be at least a private pilot, or if you are a student pilot have permission ahead of time. You will be in radar contact with the tower, just like any other towered airport, no biggie. I could go into airplane equipment and contacting tower but I'll spare you. As far as holding goes, unless you file IFR and are instrument rated you aren't gona be doing any holding. You might get vectored around for seperation, but thats about it.
NYC may have some strict rules that don't normally apply when flying near buildings and obstructions, this is if you want to site see and take pics or something out of the ordinary for that airspace. Typically you need 500 feet seperation, and I know in Tulsa, class C airspace, I can fly over the city all I want if I request it. NYC I'm guessing you can't kill time in their airspace, especially since its B. But none the less, plenty of time to check out the city with a great view in any plane.
Currently the only area I know that is about to go on wierd flight restricitons in the DC area. They are trying to set it up so that any general aviation, or corporate flights must enter from 1 of 12 airports based in the US. The planes must also be registered ahead of time to enter, and have a security guard on board. Passengers will be finger printed and probably anally probed from the way the article talked. But thats DC and not NYC. Sounded recockulous to me.
Any private pilot can rent a plane, this is of course if you have a sign off by the company that rents planes. Assuming you have that, it cost anywhere from 50-100 bucks and hour for most small airplanes that hold 2-4 people. I took my dad flying last Xmas for 2 hours and 90 bucks.
Now as far as flying into NYC, class B airspace, you must be at least a private pilot, or if you are a student pilot have permission ahead of time. You will be in radar contact with the tower, just like any other towered airport, no biggie. I could go into airplane equipment and contacting tower but I'll spare you. As far as holding goes, unless you file IFR and are instrument rated you aren't gona be doing any holding. You might get vectored around for seperation, but thats about it.
NYC may have some strict rules that don't normally apply when flying near buildings and obstructions, this is if you want to site see and take pics or something out of the ordinary for that airspace. Typically you need 500 feet seperation, and I know in Tulsa, class C airspace, I can fly over the city all I want if I request it. NYC I'm guessing you can't kill time in their airspace, especially since its B. But none the less, plenty of time to check out the city with a great view in any plane.
Currently the only area I know that is about to go on wierd flight restricitons in the DC area. They are trying to set it up so that any general aviation, or corporate flights must enter from 1 of 12 airports based in the US. The planes must also be registered ahead of time to enter, and have a security guard on board. Passengers will be finger printed and probably anally probed from the way the article talked. But thats DC and not NYC. Sounded recockulous to me.
12-21-2005, 01:41 AM
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Oh somewhere in here I caught something about the cost of flight time...I think I did anyways. Its by the hobbs meter, meaning you pay for it only if the plane is running. Depending on where you rent the plane from will determine how long you can actually have the plane for. For instance I can walk next door to Christenson Aviation and look at the schedule for 152's and if no one has it for X amount of blocks, I can put myself down and take the plane for as long as I want, regardless if I fly it a half hour and then take a courtesy car around town for hours on end. I still only pay for the half hour.