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07-23-2005, 03:59 AM
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[quote name='TYSON' date='Jul 22 2005, 11:28 PM']I feel sorry for the police down there, I really do. I've been pulled over here at all hours of the night. I have NEVER seen a police officer lay a hand on their gun while approaching my car. Do you think they do it there for the fun of it?
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I've been pulled over while carrying. Cop comes to the window I hand him both my license and permit. Cops around here prefer people with a permit because they feel safer knowing your smart enough to keep a level head and will not do anything stupid. I've not been pulled over often but I've never had a problem so far.
I aslo agree that not everyone should be able to get a firearm but for those able, I think we shouldn't have to jump through 5000 hoops just to purchase one.
[quote name='nismo convert' date='Jul 22 2005, 11:47 PM']I'm definately with Tyson on this, guns are ment to be used for food and survival from food that can eat you ie bear, damn yoggy. guns are used on farms to protect livestock, and to kill things so you can eat them, or put them out of their missery. i also have been pulled over MANY TIMES and never have i seen the gun drawn, or hand near the gun, maybe because i am curtious and pull into a well lit area so the officer feels more comfortable i donno, but it works. your gun laws, or lack there of suck.
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You forgot one, protection of you and your family.
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I've been pulled over while carrying. Cop comes to the window I hand him both my license and permit. Cops around here prefer people with a permit because they feel safer knowing your smart enough to keep a level head and will not do anything stupid. I've not been pulled over often but I've never had a problem so far.
I aslo agree that not everyone should be able to get a firearm but for those able, I think we shouldn't have to jump through 5000 hoops just to purchase one.
[quote name='nismo convert' date='Jul 22 2005, 11:47 PM']I'm definately with Tyson on this, guns are ment to be used for food and survival from food that can eat you ie bear, damn yoggy. guns are used on farms to protect livestock, and to kill things so you can eat them, or put them out of their missery. i also have been pulled over MANY TIMES and never have i seen the gun drawn, or hand near the gun, maybe because i am curtious and pull into a well lit area so the officer feels more comfortable i donno, but it works. your gun laws, or lack there of suck.
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You forgot one, protection of you and your family.
07-23-2005, 04:59 AM
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I'm 21 years old. A qualified marksman with a pistol, rifle, and machine gun. Also a graduate of the Army's Sniper school at Ft. Benning, GA and a graduate of numerous CQB and tactical shooting schools througout this country.
Heres the question, should I get special treatment because I obviously know how to handle a weapon? Just because I'm trained to wield it? Or should someone with my credentials have to jump through six-million hoops to be able to buy/own/carry a weapon?
In the states you can't differentiate. I know I'd be pissed as hell if someone judged me because of my age and would'nt grant me a concealed license. The US right now, has a fair gun law, that isnt partial towards anyone, and at the same time keeps guns out of certain people's hands. Sure, there are ways around it. But what law is there that you can't find a loophole in? Very few. Its been said before and I'll say it again. Banning certain types of weapons is asinine. Those bad-people are always gonna get their hands on them regardless of what law is in effect. Personally i'd rather be able to meet a criminal head to head with an evenly matched weapon. I dont think it would be too fair to go up against the guy trying to rape you're daughter with a break-action .22 cal squirrel rifle when hes packing a tactical shotgun or assault rifle.
Heres the question, should I get special treatment because I obviously know how to handle a weapon? Just because I'm trained to wield it? Or should someone with my credentials have to jump through six-million hoops to be able to buy/own/carry a weapon?
In the states you can't differentiate. I know I'd be pissed as hell if someone judged me because of my age and would'nt grant me a concealed license. The US right now, has a fair gun law, that isnt partial towards anyone, and at the same time keeps guns out of certain people's hands. Sure, there are ways around it. But what law is there that you can't find a loophole in? Very few. Its been said before and I'll say it again. Banning certain types of weapons is asinine. Those bad-people are always gonna get their hands on them regardless of what law is in effect. Personally i'd rather be able to meet a criminal head to head with an evenly matched weapon. I dont think it would be too fair to go up against the guy trying to rape you're daughter with a break-action .22 cal squirrel rifle when hes packing a tactical shotgun or assault rifle.
07-23-2005, 05:03 AM
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[quote name='TYSON' date='Jul 22 2005, 07:38 PM']Please point out which one of these awful items' 
sole purpose is to kill people or practice killing people.
And don't try to tell me you can use a 9mm or a 5.56mm FMJ round to hunt.
Then go tell the kid locked in the Lexan box at a 24hr gas station that he lives in freedom.
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9mm is worthless. I'd sure as **** rather be hit by it than a .45acp, .38, .357magnum etc.
Full metal-jacket are some of the few rounds approved by the Geneva convention due to the fact that they dont cause an extraneous amount of damage, they go in and out. When someone attacks my family they are gonna swallow hollow-points, not FMJ. Are you trying to say these two types of cartriages are overkill? I'm confused.
And don't try to tell me you can use a 9mm or a 5.56mm FMJ round to hunt.
Then go tell the kid locked in the Lexan box at a 24hr gas station that he lives in freedom.
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9mm is worthless. I'd sure as **** rather be hit by it than a .45acp, .38, .357magnum etc.
Full metal-jacket are some of the few rounds approved by the Geneva convention due to the fact that they dont cause an extraneous amount of damage, they go in and out. When someone attacks my family they are gonna swallow hollow-points, not FMJ. Are you trying to say these two types of cartriages are overkill? I'm confused.
07-23-2005, 05:07 AM
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[quote name='SilverSeven' date='Jul 23 2005, 06:26 AM']The anti-gun arguement, no matter how well intentioned presents an impossible solution.
1. Very few people should be allowed to own guns, but not people who could possibly someday use them to hurt people. Ok, here's the thing. People who break laws with guns will have no problems breaking laws to GET guns. So making guns nearly impossible to get will only make it easier forcrimes to be comitted, because the criminal will know that 99% of people they might want to rape/rob/highjack/kill won't be armed. It'll be a free for all.
2. Well, you don't really have a viable second option. We could melt all guns and build one big *** flower sculpture. But then a bird might conk his head flying into it and you'll all be crying about the "killer flower" with no other purpose but to hurt widdle birdies.
3. Mob movies would suck without guns. You would essentially be killing Martin Scorsese. How would you feel then, huh?
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Point 1 is rubbish. In Ireland we still have guns and plenty of them, but they're owned by people with a licence (which takes longer than 10 days to get BTW). The result being there is so few of them in the wrong hands that even the police don't need to carry guns. We still have a proportionate amount of criminals, but it's very rare that you ever hear of someone being shot. And like I said the people who enjoy guns are free to enjoy them. Obviously it would be nigh on impossible to have this situation in America, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
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1. Very few people should be allowed to own guns, but not people who could possibly someday use them to hurt people. Ok, here's the thing. People who break laws with guns will have no problems breaking laws to GET guns. So making guns nearly impossible to get will only make it easier forcrimes to be comitted, because the criminal will know that 99% of people they might want to rape/rob/highjack/kill won't be armed. It'll be a free for all.
2. Well, you don't really have a viable second option. We could melt all guns and build one big *** flower sculpture. But then a bird might conk his head flying into it and you'll all be crying about the "killer flower" with no other purpose but to hurt widdle birdies.
3. Mob movies would suck without guns. You would essentially be killing Martin Scorsese. How would you feel then, huh?
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Point 1 is rubbish. In Ireland we still have guns and plenty of them, but they're owned by people with a licence (which takes longer than 10 days to get BTW
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07-23-2005, 05:19 AM
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Point 1 isnt rubbish.
Sure you guys have you're laws and it works great for you. You forget America has a 2nd ammendment that says everyone has the right to bear arms.
And I'd be damned if i have devote an assload of time to get licensed to own a weapon. Especially since 90% of the time my weapons never leave my property.
Sure you guys have you're laws and it works great for you. You forget America has a 2nd ammendment that says everyone has the right to bear arms.
And I'd be damned if i have devote an assload of time to get licensed to own a weapon. Especially since 90% of the time my weapons never leave my property.
07-23-2005, 06:28 AM
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[quote name='TYSON' date='Jul 22 2005, 10:38 PM']Please point out which one of these awful items' sole purpose is to kill people or practice killing people.
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I must take vigorous exception to the statement that guns are solely used to kill people. They are tools used for hunting, recreation, and self-preservation. A criminal will most often avoid confrontation with a victim that he knows to be armed, and in that sense firearms are a very powerful deterrent to violence. I own several firearms and I certainly didn't buy them for the sole purpose of killing people.
How often does it have to be said? The solution to gun violence in the US is to put the offenders in jail. And to keep them there. If the majority of gun violence is committed by repeat offenders, then it makes sense to me to eliminate the offenders.
The problem of gun violence in the US is not simply the result of gun laws. There are a variety of societal issues including poverty, drugs, and ignorance that entice some people into a life of crime. Making guns go away won't address these issues and it won't solve the problem of violent crime.
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I must take vigorous exception to the statement that guns are solely used to kill people. They are tools used for hunting, recreation, and self-preservation. A criminal will most often avoid confrontation with a victim that he knows to be armed, and in that sense firearms are a very powerful deterrent to violence. I own several firearms and I certainly didn't buy them for the sole purpose of killing people.
How often does it have to be said? The solution to gun violence in the US is to put the offenders in jail. And to keep them there. If the majority of gun violence is committed by repeat offenders, then it makes sense to me to eliminate the offenders.
The problem of gun violence in the US is not simply the result of gun laws. There are a variety of societal issues including poverty, drugs, and ignorance that entice some people into a life of crime. Making guns go away won't address these issues and it won't solve the problem of violent crime.
07-23-2005, 06:40 AM
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[quote name='inanimate_object' date='Jul 23 2005, 02:07 AM']Point 1 is rubbish. In Ireland we still have guns and plenty of them, but they're owned by people with a licence (which takes longer than 10 days to get BTW ). The result being there is so few of them in the wrong hands that even the police don't need to carry guns. We still have a proportionate amount of criminals, but it's very rare that you ever hear of someone being shot. And like I said the people who enjoy guns are free to enjoy them. Obviously it would be nigh on impossible to have this situation in America, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
Mark
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You also don't have Mexico just south of you for the criminals to smuggle their guns in through. If we made it difficult to get guns, or made it take a ton of time, people that didn't worry about it a whole lot wouldn't have guns, while every criminal that wanted one still would.
The old bumpersticker is true. Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
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You also don't have Mexico just south of you for the criminals to smuggle their guns in through. If we made it difficult to get guns, or made it take a ton of time, people that didn't worry about it a whole lot wouldn't have guns, while every criminal that wanted one still would.
The old bumpersticker is true. Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
07-23-2005, 08:07 AM
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[quote name='sweet7' date='Jul 23 2005, 11:19 AM']Point 1 isnt rubbish.
Sure you guys have you're laws and it works great for you. You forget America has a 2nd ammendment that says everyone has the right to bear arms.
And I'd be damned if i have devote an assload of time to get licensed to own a weapon. Especially since 90% of the time my weapons never leave my property.
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Everyone in Ireland also has a right to bear arms. And you don't have to devote any time, they do everything for you here - sure it takes about a month but isn't that a price worth paying if it means it keeps more guns out of the wrong hands?
[quote name='1988RedT2' date='Jul 23 2005, 12:28 PM']I must take vigorous exception to the statement that guns are solely used to kill people.
The problem of gun violence in the US is not simply the result of gun laws. There are a variety of societal issues including poverty, drugs, and ignorance that entice some people into a life of crime. Making guns go away won't address these issues and it won't solve the problem of violent crime.
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Knives are used to prepare food
Cars are used for transporttation
Bowling ***** are used for knocking over skittles
etc.
Aside from target practice, I can't think of anything something that a gun does that doesn't involve killing or maiming. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to have them, it just means they need to be treated with the respect they're due.
And IMO the guns as protection idea is totally rediculous, it's not going to deter robbers/criminals, how do they know who has a gun in their house? They don't so they bring one themselves just in case, next thing you know there's a gunfight going on in your house over a VCR.
Mark
Sure you guys have you're laws and it works great for you. You forget America has a 2nd ammendment that says everyone has the right to bear arms.
And I'd be damned if i have devote an assload of time to get licensed to own a weapon. Especially since 90% of the time my weapons never leave my property.
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Everyone in Ireland also has a right to bear arms. And you don't have to devote any time, they do everything for you here - sure it takes about a month but isn't that a price worth paying if it means it keeps more guns out of the wrong hands?
[quote name='1988RedT2' date='Jul 23 2005, 12:28 PM']I must take vigorous exception to the statement that guns are solely used to kill people.
The problem of gun violence in the US is not simply the result of gun laws. There are a variety of societal issues including poverty, drugs, and ignorance that entice some people into a life of crime. Making guns go away won't address these issues and it won't solve the problem of violent crime.
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Knives are used to prepare food
Cars are used for transporttation
Bowling ***** are used for knocking over skittles
etc.
Aside from target practice, I can't think of anything something that a gun does that doesn't involve killing or maiming. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to have them, it just means they need to be treated with the respect they're due.
And IMO the guns as protection idea is totally rediculous, it's not going to deter robbers/criminals, how do they know who has a gun in their house? They don't so they bring one themselves just in case, next thing you know there's a gunfight going on in your house over a VCR.
Mark
07-23-2005, 08:37 AM
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[quote name='venomrx7' date='Jul 22 2005, 09:22 PM']Lol. I just finished cleaning my 5 round .38 special snub nose revolver. I like this thread.
I need a banana clip for mine. My biggest clip is a 25 round and it quit working for some unknown reason...
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Weak springs are usually the culprit or if they get bent.
The other thing I've found that goes wrong with them is the little latch, flap, whatever they call it gets bent down and causes a misfeed.
They used to make a huge drum clip for them but I think that got pulled off the market after someone went on a mass shooting spree in a rabbit colony.
I need a banana clip for mine. My biggest clip is a 25 round
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Weak springs are usually the culprit or if they get bent.
The other thing I've found that goes wrong with them is the little latch, flap, whatever they call it gets bent down and causes a misfeed.
They used to make a huge drum clip for them but I think that got pulled off the market after someone went on a mass shooting spree in a rabbit colony.