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05-23-2006, 03:08 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by iceblue' post='820723' date='May 23 2006, 12:48 PM
There is a simple fact of he will NOT produce more power with a carb then the stock EFI setup and an SAFC on stock fuel pulse. He will actually produce less without effective porting.
There is hardly a thread I see where you are helping somebody? Sheez.... Are you never happy, lol?
Needless to say, whatever he decides on carb or EFI... (probably carb) there will be tuning involved. If he is more comfortable with carb, than go carb. As far as a good setup? I'd use either the dellorto systems or a weber 48...the weber system will be the easiest to tune I would think and probably give you the best power output. The manifolds can be aquired from Racing Beat as well as the carbs. On a stock port, you should make plenty of power over the stock AE's powerplant.
Are you starting with an AE86 or an AE85? Just curious... also, not bashing..is this your first drift car and how good are you at driving... these things will actually make a difference in how you set the car up...
05-23-2006, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue' post='820720' date='May 23 2006, 03:41 PM
Nice :-/
Your statement of producing more power or = then EFI is easily defeated.
Your statement of producing more power or = then EFI is easily defeated.
No asterisk, no disclaimer, no footnotes. Well, maybe one **carb may not be well suited for the Pikes Peak hill climb as the high altitude may put your carb out of tune. See Iceblue for details**
And im not putting down EMS of EFI in any way, but the stock equipment is JUNK. No matter what gimmic you attatch to it.
05-23-2006, 05:14 PM
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I can tell by your posts that you often misinterpret what is written. I said more power over stock.
No asterisk, no disclaimer, no footnotes. Well, maybe one **carb may not be well suited for the Pikes Peak hill climb as the high altitude may put your carb out of tune. See Iceblue for details**
And im not putting down EMS of EFI in any way, but the stock equipment is JUNK. No matter what gimmic you attatch to it.
No asterisk, no disclaimer, no footnotes. Well, maybe one **carb may not be well suited for the Pikes Peak hill climb as the high altitude may put your carb out of tune. See Iceblue for details**
And im not putting down EMS of EFI in any way, but the stock equipment is JUNK. No matter what gimmic you attatch to it.
I was stating over stock EFI setup of the FC.
05-23-2006, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue' post='820759' date='May 23 2006, 07:18 PM
Here is a good exsample.
Stock 12A nikki carb like mine. 100Bhp
Converted to TB fuel injection and E6k
Dyno run was 185rwhp
Builder was my friend Gonzz.
Stock 12A nikki carb like mine. 100Bhp
Converted to TB fuel injection and E6k
Dyno run was 185rwhp
Builder was my friend Gonzz.
Stock system vs a modded one. You expected different?
And I think your forgetting to include a few mods in that setup.
05-23-2006, 10:32 PM
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I forgot no mods. Stock 12A nikki carb swapped out for the tweak-it TB injection. Only mod here is converting to EFI. Yea with an EMS.
So we are talking a carbed motor and same motor fuel injected. No different then going FI to carbed.
Like I said most power is in the ignition tuning something EFI offers in a package.
So we are talking a carbed motor and same motor fuel injected. No different then going FI to carbed.
Like I said most power is in the ignition tuning something EFI offers in a package.
05-23-2006, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iceblue' post='820720' date='May 23 2006, 02:41 PM
It is the fact of the constant tuning as carbs change by elevation barometric pressure humidity and temp. They are never optimally tuned everywhere every day. I thought you knew this. EFI is not the case.
05-23-2006, 11:57 PM
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I always forget,
shop+set of tools+internet connection=mechanic/supercar builder
None of the above referenced scenarios are the end all when it comes to tuning performance
some rock a carb, some are wizards when it come to ems, I suppose individual ability isn't in question either...
getting to brass tacks: yes porting will be the way to make the most bang for your buck the the n/a platform in connection with the higher compression rotors and a damn good clutch, probably want to keep the original flywheel though.
shop+set of tools+internet connection=mechanic/supercar builder
None of the above referenced scenarios are the end all when it comes to tuning performance
some rock a carb, some are wizards when it come to ems, I suppose individual ability isn't in question either...
getting to brass tacks: yes porting will be the way to make the most bang for your buck the the n/a platform in connection with the higher compression rotors and a damn good clutch, probably want to keep the original flywheel though.
05-24-2006, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by iceblue' post='820806' date='May 23 2006, 11:32 PM
I forgot no mods. Stock 12A nikki carb swapped out for the tweak-it TB injection. Only mod here is converting to EFI. Yea with an EMS.
So we are talking a carbed motor and same motor fuel injected. No different then going FI to carbed.
Like I said most power is in the ignition tuning something EFI offers in a package.
So we are talking a carbed motor and same motor fuel injected. No different then going FI to carbed.
Like I said most power is in the ignition tuning something EFI offers in a package.
All from a stock 12a..
bottom line is that the reason he doesn't go efi is because he doesn't want to. that's good enough reason for me??? i'm sure he's scared off this forum forever but if not let's try and give him a hand maybe?? that's why i come to this site... i think?
This is why I proposed adding a carburation forum on the board. That way it wouldnt get so many heroes.
05-24-2006, 12:53 PM
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I love how someone without experience can start calling bull **** like you truly know what’s up.
Ice Blue: GSL-SE
gonzz: yah will work
Ice Blue: I want to stick fuel injection on my SA
gonzz: do 12a plates and gsl-se housings
gonzz: oh
gonzz: use a center gsl-se
Ice Blu: Yea that’s what I was thinking
gonzz: i did a few of them
Ice Blu: I got one but it may be trashed got to go check
gonzz: the -se center has injector locations
Ice Blu: good good
gonzz: last one dynoed 185 rwhp
gonzz: good power
Ice Blu: im gona do that make a manifold and use a stock FC ECU
Ice Blu: That’s a big jump just buy fuel injection
Ice Blu: It was a stock 12a right 100bhp an they swapped to EFI on it
gonzz: installed the twek-it throttle body injection on the eng
gonzz: and a e6k
gonzz: pulled hard to 8500
I will ask him again tonight. If he realy did not port the motor.
Ice Blue: GSL-SE
gonzz: yah will work
Ice Blue: I want to stick fuel injection on my SA
gonzz: do 12a plates and gsl-se housings
gonzz: oh
gonzz: use a center gsl-se
Ice Blu: Yea that’s what I was thinking
gonzz: i did a few of them
Ice Blu: I got one but it may be trashed got to go check
gonzz: the -se center has injector locations
Ice Blu: good good
gonzz: last one dynoed 185 rwhp
gonzz: good power
Ice Blu: im gona do that make a manifold and use a stock FC ECU
Ice Blu: That’s a big jump just buy fuel injection
Ice Blu: It was a stock 12a right 100bhp an they swapped to EFI on it
gonzz: installed the twek-it throttle body injection on the eng
gonzz: and a e6k
gonzz: pulled hard to 8500
I will ask him again tonight. If he realy did not port the motor.