I need some advice on what I should do for fuel management. as for my car.. its a 6port street ported engine.. 60-1 t04e turbo.. NPR front mount.. apex ss BOV.. 550cc secondary injectors and na primary injectors. i have a deltagate with a 4psi spring in it.. i still have the stock NA ECU. I had a apex super AFC II but it really sucked.. i was thinking of going with 2 msd 6al's and a haltech f9 fuel computer.. the only problem is.. I dont know how to install that stuff nor tune it. Im in las vegas.. anyone have advice on what i can do for now to get it runnin and boostin right? i got aeromotive t1000 fuel pump too.. i didnt do to bad on messing with the afc and theres not many people i trust with my car.. so i want something that i would be able to do.. thanks guys

550 secondaries are way too small to be running with that turbo.



- Hand

well it runs fine at 4psi.. I have 1660cc injectors and a fuel rail to fit them sitting in my garage. im just kinda looking for an easy way out for now.

Are you bullshitting us?





-Ted

4 psi? why even own a turbo that size?



kevin.

ok why would I be bullshitting you???

uhh.. because thats what size I decided to go with. And I cant turn up the boost because I have no fuel management. SO thats where my question came from.. its called a brain, you should try usin it before asking stupid questions.

Byte the bullet and get a haltech or something similar. Anything else is just half assing it.



wideband o2

haltech-exx/similar

550p-1600sec

Stock TII/NA Coil packs

Some sort of fat fuel pump

and a rrfpr



Anything less than the above and your going to break stuff. If your not willing to learn or dont have the cash to pay someone then your kinda in a tough spot.



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GregW

Cause Turbonetics doesn't offer a 4psi spring for their Deltagate?





-Ted

Since you said fuel management and you obviously don't have much money to buy a proper EMS then I'd suggest a megasquirt. Its not really what you need but it will allow some tuning to keep your engine from blowing.

I dont really know anyone in vegas that can tune a haltech. I do have the 1660cc injectors. 550cc injectors and a aeromotive t1000 external fuel pump. all I need is some kind of fuel management and my car will be finished the way I want it to be. I had paid a guy in a shop here in vegas for a haltech e6x but it turns out the guy skipped town or something with my money as well as a lot of other peoples money. As for the microsquirt, Ive herad of that but not really to familiar with it. where can I get information on one?? thanks to the guys that are giving me some advice.







ok well its a 3-5psi spring. but my car boosts 4psi just the way it is right now.

Those of us who are doubting, or that are confused as to why you would try and run a turboed car off of an N/a ecu and a piggy back are saying so because you are on a very thin line. 550 secondaries aren't enough to support major boost, and I am surprised that your engine hasn't blown up yet. Try heading some of their advice as a couple of them have been doing this a whole lot longer than you and have a lot more time invested in this sort of deal. No offense but quit acting like a jerk off to them, and try taking their advice.



- Hand

Ok this is what brings me to ask for you guys to give me advice on a fuel management. I dont drive the car everyday.. it sits in my garage waiting for the rest of the car. I know im running on a thin line with the NA ecu and a piggy back which is why the car doesnt see much boost at all. Which then again brings me back to the question on fuel management. I asked for advice on a fuel management system not criticism which is all you have been giving me. I know theres lots of people that have been doing this for longer but I do know what my car needs and its fuel management. So if you cant give advice, why post to my question with other comments???

if you cant properly tune a full standalone to specific fuel settings you will never boost as much as that turbo is capable of, lying or not you need a standalone, doesnt matter how nice your fuel system is what pump or rail or secondary's you have if your computer isnt giving them the right amount of fuel youre going no where, by fuel managment what do you expect? to plug in some replacement computer and it be tuned? either learn or find someone who isnt insanely far and take it to them haltech is worth every penny and if you cant tune it someone can, steve kan will fly to you

Empire or Harry Nieves?





-Ted

I do wanna learn how to tune that. But i know it dont come over night. I know people out here that SAY they can tune a haltech, but theyre mostly MR-2 guys and I dont think they can tune a rotary. and yes I was talkin about Harry Nieves who was the owner of Empire. he built my complete car. I paid him for the standalone and stuff and from what I hear now he skipped town. its been a few months since I heard from him. But harry has always been a real good mechanic. He tuned my car with the AFC and it ran really good for only boosting 4psi. I was just wondering on what kind of Haltech. Like I said.. my friends out here have been telling me to just go with 2 MSD6AL's and a haltech f9. then again I hear really good stuff about the E6x. For tuning I think I just might take it down to Cali to have someone down there tune it.

my car

looks nice, got any bay shots?? yeah but man seriously if you care about your car you will take the advice of the people on here, they live for their cars and know what theyre talking about.

Use my brain? Look at you mr rocket scientist you built your car ass backwards "hmm ill buy all the power stuff, run it on an n/a ecu, and then whine and whin cause i cant boost a lot without fuel management".



If YOU used your god damn brain and built the car in a smart manner you'd know it's better to get your fuel, fuel management, etc out of the way ebfore you buy your power-up goodies. You sir are the dumbass here.



I'm not gonna rattle on about my abilities, but here's a clue, when we "criticize" or point **** out to you, its because its stupid. We arent trying to embarass you or something, we just dont see the sense in it.



I mean youre running a somewhat nice size turbo AT 4 PSI! you could have got a stock s5 turbo and ran it at stock levels and made more power then youre making now.



Hell that size turbo isnt efficient AT ALL at 4 psi, its probably more of a ******* restriction then anything.



As for fuel management, Id reccommend a Wolf, since the Wolf USA HQ is in cali, not too far from you, PLUS if you get the Innovate LM-1 wideband, and the Wolf V4 unit (looking at around $1800 total) you can send Chris (the boss at Wolf USA) the datalog of your wideband plus the map you're running and he will tune the map and send ti back to you without ever seeing your car.



Like the motto goes, you gotta pay to play. Piggybacks are good for a temporary solution.



kevin.

I used my brain and if you read thru Its not my daily driven car. It sits in my garage awaiting the rest of the parts. AND what kind of sense would it make for me to buy the fuel management first if its still ONLY gonna sit in my garage? I put a piggy back on it for a few days as a temp solution, really realized that I wasnt getting nowhere near the full potential out of it with the 4psi that the piggy back was able to handle on it. ANd what is there for you to criticize on? The order in which I built my car? well for one.. thats my business.. all I asked for was advice on a fuel management. Not for people to tell me that im bullshitting or say that 4psi is to low of boost and that My 550cc secondaries are to small which when a stand alone is installed in my car will be swapped out for the 1660cc injectors that are sitting in my garage. And for two.. the order in which i build my car doesnt really matter because it sits in my garage like I said more then once. So if your going to criticize on the way im building my car, at least get your facts straight you dumbass. now go bug someone else who has half a brain like you.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif If that is your attitude, you deserve to have problems. You can bend the story around any way you like to fit your warped sense of reality, and you are right, it's your car, you ******* fix it.

I am ****** fixin it you retard. Where do you get that I have a warped sense of reality? are you as ignorant as the other guy? guess so https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

Me saying that 550 injectors are too small to run with that turbo at any higher boost, was trying to help you to make sure you that you don't try and boost 14lbs with those injectors. I've tried to help, and others have to by making recomendations. The thought process for people who know two licks about a rotary is first, make sure you have enough fuel for your mods. That means, before you put a new turbo on, you have all the neccessary fuel upgrades so that you can run it without any problems. We all have tried to point out to you that you should not drive the car, an n/a ecu with a piggyback, is a horrible combination to run a turboed car off of, for 2 years or 2 minutes, I wouldn't do it, and I sure as hell wouldn't trust anyone who is tuning a car to drive like that. So here's some advice, get off your ******* high horse, and listen to people are saying, stop driving the car, and go with one of the two aformentioned stand alone units. Do a search the differences between stand alones has been covered before. and finally A big **** you from me, for trying to help. Ass.



- Hand

Now we are getting somewhere.

you guys are all ignorant assholes... Obviously you havnt read thru again. I know my fuel injectors are to small.. Ive said this 20 times. I have bigger injectors waiting to go on the car. I dont need advice on whether or not theyre to small. I KNOW THIS DIPSHIT. and AGAIN.. I DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR. IT SITS IN MY GARAGE. you must have a real bad reading problem or something. All I asked for was recomendations on stand alones. So how is your tellin me my fuel system right givin me recomendations on stand alones? And what do you mean get off my high horse? because I asked a question.. got criticized for the parts I chose for my car and acted defensively? get a ****** llife you dumb ****** idiot.. and a bigger **** YOU from me for nothin.

someone please god kill this kid hes ******* bothering everyone, listen dude youre a moron first you say your looking for fuel managment but "no one can tune blah blah" now your saying you wanted opinions on standalones well you didnt ******* mention any standalones you just said "hey whats good im an idiot and i have 1660 injectors duuuuuuuuuhmmmmmmmmm **** you" shut up youre a dolt

now your gonna break out with the lil kiddie stuff?? haha.. get a girl friend you lonely ****.

you guys are all ****** stupid ass' seriously.. this is hillarious how stupid you guys are. reading problems or what, I dont know.. a few more years in school just might do it for you guys

My first response, before you ever mentioned that the car was garaged was about the fuel injectors, because I was concerned that you would boost too high, to support the amount of fuel that the injectors could dish out. And what do I get in response but crap from you. You have been given two options for stand alone fuel management systems. You have been told to do a search, because this topic has been covered many times. So please do a search and decide for yourself which fuel management system is right for you. That's all, just stop this nonsense now, do a search and find the answers for yourself. If you don't want our help then don't ask for it. SEARCH



- Hand

Yeah we are all pretty stupid here, the super smart people are located at http://rx7club.com, check that site out, you will fit right in.

you beat me to that comment 89rag. This sounds like a rx7club forum. Lots of pointless bullshit and nothing good. Listen to the men faztazzgxl, because they did give you the advice that you asked for from the start. But what do i know?

(Damn - you guys get off topic..)



Question: Do you still have the S-AFC?

If you wire the THR signal to the boost sensor instead of the TPS, you will get the control you need for the big injectors & pump.