RETed

Stock ECU for my stock FC.

E6K is going to control the 20B (for now).

Yes, I prefer Haltech.





-Ted

roadkill669

I dunno if you all know this or not, but the LTX8 can run up to a 16 cylinder and up to a 4 rotor. Bill has all my other information on my dealer disk, so he needs to see what the LT12 is able to do.



I dont know what the your talking about bill. True 20b? It was a 20b in a car. I think thats a true 20b. You have all the info on that CD. Read it and correct me if im wrong.

RETed

I dunno if you know this or not...

But anything out there that can run a 4-cylinder in full sequential on the fuel injection and ignition side can run a 3 or 4 rotor. That means almost ALL the brands can do this.



I think you better quit while you're ahead.

A true stock 20B has:

SIX fuel injection channels to run full sequential + staged fuel injection

SIX ignition channels to run 3 leading and 3 trailing igniton channels will fully independent trailing split

FOUR OMP channels to run the electronic oil meter pump that's stock on the 20B



There are ways to run the 20B without requiring the 16 discrete channels mentioned above. That was my point. AFAIK, NO Microtech can do this right now, period. Stop trying to deny it already - Electromotice TEC I beat Microtech to 20B. Haltech E11 beat Microtech to full 20B control. Yes, the Microtech can control a 20B, but it was neither the first nor can it control the abovementioned 20B configuration right now.



A Haltech E6X can control a 20B by running batch + staged fuel injection, 3 simul-spark L+T on the 3 rotors, and no OMP (i.e. premixing). When I was associated with K2RD, we were probably the first 20B, daily-driving, streetable FC in the US running on a Haltech E6K + IG5 on the street that didn't cost over $20k (hell, I think we were under $10k) to build including the vehicle purchase itself. And this was 4 years ago...



Why don't you go ask Microtech if they can do this?





-Ted

roadkill669

The LT12 can.

1988RedT2

I did not mean to imply that Microtech was the only way to go fast. I meant that it was one proven way to run fast.



My sincere thanks for a lively and informative thread, guys!

RETed

So can an Electromotive TEC3...

So can a Haltech E6X and E11...

So can a MoTeC M600 and M800 and M880...



What makes the Microtech special?





-Ted

pengaru

Want to know what makes microtech so special to many of the people on these forums?



the fact that they are 'microtech dealers' themselves, so theres an obvious bias there.

roadkill669

Because its what I use. I havnt used any other EMS, so I cant say that they are better than the others. In fact, I havnt said that at all. All I am saying is that they are kick *** units. They work flawlessly, easy to install, easy to tune, a compariable unit to other EMSs for less, and they work. Im not saying that the others dont work as well or better, just that the Microtech, from my experience with it, works really well.

banzaitoyota

I purchased a Microtech because of the value($$) and at the time I purchased:



1. Haltech USA offered ZERO support

2. Many people at that current time where having trouble with their Haltechs

3. I did not wish to try to become a member of the "cliche" of the Hlatech Users Group: TOO MUCH DAMN FIGHTING OVER THERE, made the RX7CLUB look like the kindergarden it always wanted to be.



Dale and Jon in AUSSIE-LAND have always bent over backwards to answer my questions. Try getting that kind of support from one of the haltech-guru's.





ALL of the above mentioned units are good to a point. Some are better at certain things, some have more features than the average user could ever hope to utilize.



And wether or not the particuliar unit can control a 20B is a MUTE point to 98% of the forum users because they will not have one!

Apex13B

that is where you can just stop posting.



I've used and tuned the following systems:



DTA fast (you cant afford it) its british....nuff said

Motec M4-M8800 (you cant afford it) best support

Pectel (you cant afford it) idiotic software

Autronic (crap) counter-intuitive

Haltec easy at kissing your sister

Microtec (idiot box) crude, but effective for drag racing

EFI tech. (you cant afford it) non-exhistint tech support and no backward compatability



Out of all of these, the only one that took me less than a day to figure out was the haltec, given the fact that i have a gift to understand this stuff quickly. I suggest the haltech, for ease of use, parts and service availability. Software backward compatability and overall satisfaction on my part. I've also found resolution on haltecs to be better. The sole mircotec that i worked with was a street driven car and it always has had "holes" in the fuel maps.





"you tune pianos, you map ecu's"