pengaru

if you're not concerned with the things you mentioned, get some nice flat slide carbs.

1Revvin7

Why would you want to use outdated worn out factory sensors???

roadkill669

They work.

Rotaryman88

RedTed...maybe you should stop while your "ahead"...





1. Roadkill never said "TRUE" 20B...he simply stated that it was made to control the 20B..which it was, and if you say its a "hack" to control it..it STILL CONTROLS it..obviously systems are going to advance as time goes on, and being that the E11 is one of the newest systems available, it is going to be better..



2. Also..1988RedT2's point on mentioning that siguel uses a microtech was that it is a fast rotary running the microtech system..there are tons of rotaries running excellent times in the 1/4 mile on numerous different standalones and his point is that microtech is one of them..AKA..IT WORKS.



3. After reviewing my DEALER information regarding the microtech system..it is indeed called the LT16, there is a system coming out soon as well called the LT12S.



4. Um...nah..I think I covered..any more ?s



BTW Revvin...using the stock sensors saves the cost of needing to replace all the sensors for those who are looking for a quick and cheaper method of going standalone. The microtech can handle aftermarket sensors with just as much ease as the Haltech, it just doesn't REQUIRE you to have them.

Rotaryman88

Oh there is one more thing...





What standalone are you using, or have you used for your 20B? I'm assuming your haltech fan, correct?

1988RedT2

I know nothing of these carbs of which you speak, but I'm guessing they're not all that cheap...?

j9fd3s

1. an e6k can run a 20b too, or for that matter a tec3, wolf, motec etc or if you can change the firing order the power fc, none of these will run it properly either. whats your point?



2. you can make the stock ecu run over 240mph at bonneville http://www.geocities.com/evilaviator/bonneville just because it runs at full throttle doesnt mean its good. again just because it runs at wide open throttle proves nothing, you could make a simple timer circuit that did that, again just because its fast proves nothing





the simple fact is that both of these ecu's are a good fit on a t2. they are close on price once (under $100 difference), you buy the microtech extras to make it have the same features as the e6k/x.

THE HALTECHS CAN ALSO USE THE STOCK SENSORS, but they do come with new ones. in fact the e11 lets you use any sensor, by letting you set the ranges for them.



so in conclusion, either ecu will work well, if properly tuned. this is the key, the one you can get setup and tuned (or help for same) should be your choice

RETed

My point is you can get almost anything to work.

The PR's have been using blow-through carbs for a long time, and they have all run fast.

Your implication that a Microtech is "needed" to run fast is just incorrect.







-Ted

RETed

I prefer Haltech, yes.

j9fd3s has already mentioned that I would recommend you go with the brand that you can get the best local support for, period.

Unless you are a whiz at this sort of thing or exceptionally gifted at picking up new ideas, growing pains are part of EMS tuning. We've all gone through it, and I haven't come across anything who has had zero problems trying to get one of these things to work perfectly out of the box. You're going to thank yourself when you run into problems an then have instant and easy access for tech support for your problems.



I think for beginners, the Haltech layout and user interface is one of the easier system to begin with.





-Ted

RETed

The Haltech E11 is the first EMS that can control a 20B in stock form, period.

Electromotive TEC I was the first EMS that can control the 20B - that beats the Mocrotech, period.

And your point is?



Yes, and people like to mention this cause it's implied that to run fast you need THEIR brand of EMS. I hate this kinda argument, because the racer could have easily gone with another brand, and it has to do with abilities of the race tuner, politics, or plain cold cash (i.e. sponsorship).



Haltech controlled race cars have also run very quick. The current fastest stock-bodied DSM (Brent Rau?) runs Haltech, but you don't see me screaming that all over the place?



Abel Ibarra is knocking on the door of 6's and running MoTeC, but do I push everybody to run MoTeC?





Apologies on the bad info - I only dabble in Microtech systems as of late.





There's pros and cons to either, and I don't think I need to get into them.





BOTTOM LINE here folks is that I advocate going with the brand that you can get the best and easiest tech support in case you run into trouble. Believe me, you will run into trouble. It's a good feeling to know when you do run into trouble that help is very easy to access. I think one of the worst feeling is when you do run into trouble you have no idea who to turn to. I have been on many EMS lists for several years, and you can read the desperation in people's post when they ask for help. All of the EMS brands out there work well WHEN TUNED CORRECTLY. A greatly tuned average EMS will always perform better than a badly tuned SUPER-DUPER-EXPENSIVE EMS.



I've gone through too many of these debates over the past several years that I cannot even remember them all. We can argue till we're blue in the face on which brand is better, but it's a waste of time...





-Ted