I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place. I didn't see a feedback forum. If it needs to be move, feel free https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



OK, I never thought I would have to say something neg. about them but, The truth should be told!



The 1st time I ordered from them, I got a Wallbro 255lph off ebay. worked fine. No probs.



Now, about a month + ago I ordered 4 fuel injectors. Two 720cc and two 880cc. Long story short, The 880cc they sent me will not fit into the rail and manifold. THEY ARE THE WRONG ONES!!! I asked the guy at there, two diff, times "they are direct bolt in, RIGHT?" Both times he told me "Yes". I get them and they are useless!!



Here's the last email I sent them so the owner knows what's going on..................................



----- Original Message -----

From: Lib E

To: SPORTCARMOTION

Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 1:42 AM

Subject: these injectors you sent me





Look, you are one more phone call away from having you name/biz. smeared all over EVERY RX-7 forum and turned in!!



Understand this, I have been VERY/OVERLY patient with you guys. Let me give you the full brake down.



#1 I email to see how to order 2 720cc and 2 880cc fuel injectors. (that you marked on your web site for Mazda etc.) You replayed with, just give you a call.



#2 I call to place the order and clearly asked "they are direct blot-in for my FC3S 10th ann. RX-7, right?" He told me yes!! <--- LIE #1 I paid for all 4 injectors + shipping ($410.00) and hoped to see them soon. That SHOULD of been the end of it.



#3 I call back after about 2 weeks to check and see what's going on, because they haven't come. It takes many calls because no one ever answers the phone. I pay MORE MONEY (long distance) to here your answering machine and never get my message returned. Finely, I get to talk to a human and I'm told that the 880's had to be ordered before you can ship them out to me and it shouldn't take more then a week <---another LIE. I was also told that you had the greddy 720's in stock and that you could ship them out to me now if I wanted. Being the great guy I am, I told him to save YOUR MONEY & TIME on shipping and just send them all at once.



#4 Another week goes by, MANY more calls and messages to get through, and finally someone tells me that you have them in and will ship them that day. Sense he had them, in your place a biz., I ask again, "They do look the same as the greddys & will bolt right in, correct?" I'm told again "Yes" <--- another LIE He told me that he would call me back w/ the tracking #<--- another lie! HE NEVER DID!



#5 Yet again, Many more phone calls, no messages returned, & my wife was given a tracking # and was told they where already shipped. <---another LIE! Latter, we find out that the # was BS! Again, we call back, many times, (AT THIS TIME I'M VERY PISSED OFF & continue to conduct myself KINDLY) and never got through to anyone. She emails you and was told there was a prob. w/ the 720's and that all the injectors would be mailed out that day and that sometimes tracking #'s are given out before they are shipped.



Long story shorter: They show up here with in 3 days. Open the box, and the 880's are CRAP!!!! THEY WILL NEVER FIT THE STOCK RAIL AND MANIFOLD!!!! I waited over a month for the WRONG INJECTORS!!! You have put me in a position where I can't believe anything you say! At this point, from your track record, I CAN"T even believe the flow rate of any of these injectors.



Top this off, I find out you billed my card for something you didn't even have!! That's WRONG!!! You should ONLY bill when they are ready to be shipped. NEVER BEFORE! But a month+ BEFORE??? WTF!!



I have WELL OVER the $410.00, I paid for the injectors into all of this. My time is VERY VALUABLE and you have consumed far to much of it with this!!



This is what's going to happen. You WILL send me a check for the injectors. All the stuff you guys have done is BS & you know it. You will call my home, as soon as you read this, to inform me that you have sent the check. Please, DO NOT make me take ANY legal actions. It will cost you more in the end. I'm only telling you what WILL HAPPEN, that's all. I have not gone public w/ any of this,the truth and will not if you do the RIGHT THING.



What up sets me the most is, I can not do any more biz. w/ you. I THOUGHT you guys where up to par. I bought my Walbro from you, off ebay and even suggested to you, that you add the word "RX-7" in the listings to bring more REX guys to your pumps. Not just RX7. Maybe you remember, maybe not. Doesn't matter now!



Make the check out to my wife, Jxxy Crxxx



Unhappy and awaiting your call,

Paul



This is what he sends me back...........



----- Original Message -----

From: Sportcar Motion

To: Lib E

Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:45 PM

Subject: RE: these injectors you sent me





First off, sorry for the delay, we don't know it's has been back order after we place it with greddy. The injectors are what you ordered. 2 720cc and 2 880cc. What is the problem here? just because you ordered the wrong injectors, now you pissed off? we will take it back, but we will have to charged 30% restocking fee.

thanks

......................................



WHAT!!!!??? A 30% restocking fee??!!! THEY SENT ME THE WRONG PART!!! Sportcarmotoin will rip you off, they did me!

Hell, maybe I'll start a fake,BS biz too. Maybe I'll sell rotarys but send out 350 chevy's. You ppl. call me and tell me That I sent the wrong engine, I just tell them to send it back, but, there's a 30% restocking fee!!! I'll be a crock like them and make money off selling the wrong parts. Oh, But you would have to get the run around for months before you even get the engine to find out it's WRONG!!! Would you by from me?



SPORTCAR MOTION could ROB YOU!!!

you are blind

Tact. Maybe you should get some. I wouldn't have been nice with that kind of e-mail if it was sent to me. Kill people with kindness and they will go the extra mile for you and would probably waved the 30% restocking fee. Waiting sucks but you have a rotary not a Chevy, it's part of it. You just can't go down to AutoZone and expect them to have parts in stock.

yeah maybe if you showed some sort of understanding he might have waved the fee and been more cooperative.

i havent purchased anything from loi but i have asked several questions and he is always helpful, and when i do need to buy something he will be on the top of my list.

Your not understanding. That was the LAST email I sent them. At that point, I , could be any nicer. I don't think it was harsh at all, considering.



Waiting, I did so. I did alot of it patiently, VERY nicely and conducted myself,for over a month, kindly.That was BEFORE I sent that email. EVERYTHING must come to a end. For this situation, my email was the end. I had no prob with waitting untill the end. Infact, I will go get a link, from a diff. forum, where I was, at that time, still waitting for it.



If you, choose to defind & condone his actions, as if he's in the right, then you have , indirectly, just told me alot about your own personality. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.png



As for your attacking my personality by implying that I have no tact, you couldn't be more wrong. This post was posted for you guys. I get nothing out of it,nothing! Try to keep in mind I simply want the best for other REX owners. I wouldn't want to here that you got robbed by sportcarmotion after I did. What kind of person would that make me?



On to the type of cars I own. I'm very aware of what it takes to get parts for the cars but, if you belive, for one sec. that getting ripped off is ok, something is wrong.



Let me go find a link..........

here's the link on team FC3S where I defended spotcarmotion, BEFORE they whent to far.............My Webpage



See, I am a nice guy that got shafted https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Please read the forum rules regarding the post que and please don't post 4 or 5 times on each reply.



Starting to make me think you don't listen too well https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

When I posted the 1st reply, I didn't understand why it wasn't giong up. After seeing that all my posts are being previewed ,by a mod, before they appear, I understood why. I've never seen that before and was confused. The sec. time I posted, I only did it once. Sorry.



I startting to belive that maybe you are a tad bias, as sportcarmotion helps to pay bills here.



Maybe I was right, this wasn't a good place to post this. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png



My question now is, why hasn't sportcar come in to argue his piont?he's been linked



From what I've been told by BBB, their in the wrong.

I know HimniRacing and Loi and am baffled how this deteriorated to this point. Himni is a hella cool guy and I believe him when he says he was patient for a month.



On the flip side I have done business with Loi and NEVER had a problem. He has always gone the extra mile for me.



I am sad it has come to this. But, honestly thats what this area is vendor feedback.



I cannot make all my clients happy all the time either. Some times things go to **** and you have egg on your face with a client. Thats business.

I have met himni in person and he is a grade A guy. Very cool and I ended up becoming pretty good friends with him before the day was out. (rx7 bbq)



I don't see how in the world you guys can be rude to him, he has only stated what happened that's it.



I understand that you guys know Loi, and that he sponsors the site, but don't let that interfere with your open minds about the subject. No one is perfect, not even Loi.



I have requested quotes, by email, phone, on specific parts, talked to Loi himself, and never ever heard back from him. Essentially He lost well over $2000 dollars business because of it. (ecu, fuel pump, fuel rail & injectors) I never said anything because he didn't take my money. So I dealt through other people and let it be.



I can't understand why someone posts an obvious and valid complaint and the first reply he gets is "you are blind". What gives?

If I/we were bias then would the topic ever have made it out of the que at all? NO



The topic stands even though it is negative toward a sponsor, I have not commented on the topic at hand, only asked you not to post multiple posts again, guess I should have done it in a PM.



Sorry if you take offense to anyone's replies, but you posted a topic in an open forum, you have to expect a varying view point, it goes with any post you make, not everyone here is going to agree with everything you post.



I am sorry that you feel that by people replying with their good experiences in some way makes them bias, you yourself admitted that you have made positive posts in the past about the company in question, does that make you bias against your own post? NO



If you are looking for a moderator to delete every posts that disagrees with your opinion you've stumbled into the wrong section of the internet. I am sure there are a couple places where the staff is willing to do that for you if that is what you would prefer.

On another note, since you are new here it may be useful to know that i have axed vendors in the past that do not take care of Nopistons members. It's never been about "who pays the bills".

new guys need some slaque...waiting a month for something he was told was in is horse ****..now a week to get them from another person is not a long time to wait..but two extra weeks on top of that is horse **** too..and to be billed for something that isnt shipped either..thats real crap. if it were me I'd have told them that they took payment for something on a c.c. they need to send it that day or give full refund.. I'm not above getting very nasty when I smell outright b.s.

Now no way in hell should you pay a restock fee for the wrong part. just a part exchange...thats what should have been asked for..it usually works..

I can see both sides of the issue...and have been screwed thats why I have NO remorse for vendors who B.S. and honest mistake is a mistake..but when they make excueses they ARE bullshitting.

I believe the "you are blind comment" was because he posted the topic in the wrong place and vosko moved it for him.

Indeed, I didn't mean to give the impression that I was taking a side, in fact I haven't even read the whole post, I was just tired of cleaning out que with 10 or 15 of the exact same posts https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png



In retrospect I should have just PM'd him, my dad. :( https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...O_DIR

So, was it actually Loi that the business was being done with? Or was is another person? I just don't see the owner being the one that's hard to deal with... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Yes, yes it was, which is why I replied with my reply regarding the multiple que posts https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png

Jim, I think your right. For it to get to this point is NUTS!! I respect you and the things you have to say. Thanks https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png



Like I said before, I did biz with SCM before this w/ no probs. and never thought this would happen. Guess it just goes to show.

Mazdadrifter is a stand-up guy. One of the best I've ever met on the forums https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif You said it better then I ever could.Thanks https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

If I/we were bias then would the topic ever have made it out of the que at all? NO



The topic stands even though it is negative toward a sponsor, I have not commented on the topic at hand, only asked you not to post multiple posts again, guess I should have done it in a PM.



Sorry if you take offense to anyone's replies, but you posted a topic in an open forum, you have to expect a varying view point, it goes with any post you make, not everyone here is going to agree with everything you post.



I am sorry that you feel that by people replying with their good experiences in some way makes them bias, you yourself admitted that you have made positive posts in the past about the company in question, does that make you bias against your own post? NO



If you are looking for a moderator to delete every posts that disagrees with your opinion you've stumbled into the wrong section of the internet. I am sure there are a couple places where the staff is willing to do that for you if that is what you would prefer. [/quote]

I take no offense, at all to any of the replies. Guess that's how YOU see it. sorry. If other ppl. have had good experiences with them, then that only makes me happy. By all means, speek the truth. But to up one guy because you know about them and down another, because you don't is, well.........



Never, would I want anybody (mod, you, him, her) to delete any post, ever. People should have live with what they have posted. Again, I think that's how you see it, not me. BTW: NO staff has ever given me extras and no, I WOULDN'T prefer that. Thats not me.

Good to hear you did the right thing..............

A sec ago, it was 4-5 now it's 10-15. At this rate, you should have it up the 100-200. Why is it again you have to "clean" up posts?.....and why is it that every post, I put on this thread is being "previewed by a mod." before it goes up? Or, are they one in the same? Maybe, you should just let them go up without previewing them. could be less work....just a thought.

That's the funny thing. The guy I dealt w/ the whole time was just the guy that answers the phone. Seemed nice, but lied alot. In the end, it was the owner that I got pissed with.



He tryed manny diff. things. He even went as far to tell me, I was wrong, that the 4 injectors are the same. "both top feed" He owns a FD and must think the only diff. in injectors are side and top feed. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif I don't know what he doing. Then, he went to the "who told you they would fit" type crap. I tell him"ahhhh, the guy that always answers the phone" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png Then ha get's my phone # , that I give to them MANY TIMES before, and tells me he will ask the guy if he ever told me that......COME ON!!!!.....Like the phone guy is going to say "yeah, I lied to him, alot" WTF!! oh, to top it off, never called back. Like I really thought he would............ https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif That's when the 1st post about this went up. As it should of and I told him I would.



I couldn't make this stuff up if I tryed............

my you are blind post was correct about posting in the wrong spot. everyone is entitled to an opinion

ok makes sence now, I thought that was a little out of left field.



Himni you should hang around for a while this is a very cool group of people, and when they aren't cool at least they're entertaining!! We need more representation for the fc's!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683329.gif



BTW how is your anny comin along!!! I'm runnin my braided fuel line, and wiring my ecu, sounds like I might beat you to getting it runnin https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.png . PM me and let me know how it's comin!!! damnit!!!



PS phinsup has a 10th anny too maybe we could all compare setups when were done??



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A sec ago, it was 4-5 now it's 10-15. At this rate, you should have it up the 100-200. Why is it again you have to "clean" up posts?.....and why is it that every post, I put on this thread is being "previewed by a mod." before it goes up? Or, are they one in the same? Maybe, you should just let them go up without previewing them. could be less work....just a thought. [/quote]

You made 4 or 5 duplicates... there were 10 or 15 in the que, that is why I made the public post. Sorry I did not make that more clear for you, I did not realize you were going to take it so literally, so there went your slack... if you want to drag this out with me then so be it.



The posts go into the que for the VERY REASON LISTED IN THE RULES AT THE TOP OF THE FORUM! Again you seem to have real issues reading the various posts and are real eager to jump on my ass for everything rather then reading what's clearly been said. I'll quote the above rules and reasoning for the que which you can see by looking at the top of ANY page in this forum, just in case you are still having issues finding them.





Had you have read those to begin with, I would not be having ANY of this conversation. I apologized and tried to bow out gracefully, but apparantly that won't do, so there ya go.



Please don't continue to argue this from within this topic, it's only drawing away from what I assume was your original intention. I'm guessing it wasn't to try to argue with me about every statement or request I have made in reply to your topic and obvious disregard for the forum policy's. If you have any further things you would like to discuss please PM me and I will be more then happy to discuss them with you.

ahh, I see now. cool https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif





back to the subject at hand



!sportcarmotion ripped me off! !sportcarmotion ripped me off!



*off to teamfc3s.org*

Can you smell it...the people's elbow? Cause it just laid the smack down. Wooo!



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I hate to add fuel to the fire but I couldn't resist.

:offtopic



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Well the rock says, if ya want the people's strudel...., ya lama anus lickin, rock bottom getin, monkey's nippel...jabrooni!!!.....just bring it!!!

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I can always smell what the rock is cooking

I was confused by the que as well. I pressed the add reply buttin and my post disapeared. I thought I did something wrong. I was about to repost when I saw the instructions at the top of the screen.



I could see how someone would miss that though especially if they were worked up while posting.



Opps I guess I just added 1 more to the que. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png

let me tell my side of the story. A person by a name of JUDY call and place a order on a set of 720cc and 880cc injector. The person who call my sales guy never mention those injectors suppose to go into the FC. I don't have any problem taking the injector back as long as it our mistake. I never spoke to him myself, only to someone name judy regrading the shippment. I don't like that fact that you sent me nasty email and threaten us that "if we don't send the money back now, it will be all over the internet." This is the reason why i said we will we charged 30% restocking! We're here to sales products, don't like to have unhappy customer, but i'm not here to be threaten either! please give me a call. i will take care of it over the phone. 760-591-4576

thanks

loi

hey loi will u be at SS tomorrow? i didnt get a chance to meet ya at the rotary xecret bbq

Loi, No a person by the name of Judy DID NOT call and place the order. I DID. Judy is my wife. YES, I did ask, TWO DIFF. TIMES, if they will fit a FC. WAS told yes. I don't know who your getting this info from, but you've been lied to as well. The last time I called, I was told I was talking to the owner and that he was going to call me back. Even got my # again. Never called me back.(that was AFTER I sent the email) Loi, was that you? I DID NOT threaten you in the email. I ONLY told you what WAS going to happen (THE TRUTH). Yes, perhaps I was HARSH in the email but, understand, I was at my end with it. Try to put yourself in my shoes. I do not make threats.



I will have to check with the BBB, CC comp. and our lawyer to see if it's in my best interest to contact you via. phone. If they don't have a prob with it, then I'll call you , again, asap. You must know that I CAN NOT send the injectors back INTELL, I have my money. It's matter of trust. Or lack there of. I'm sure you fully understand that.

dude, all u gotta do is send the **** back and u'll get urs back. i think thats the way it works with companies. send back the injectors, then either get new injectors or get ur money back. a company, just like the one i work for will have to take at least a 50% dep on an order to ensure that they are covered when they need to place your order with their factory. so that is one reason y money was collected. i hope this all works out for you. i myself had a friend sponsored by loi, and heard he was a great guy. i dont know him personally and had no experiences with him. but the best of luck to ya

turbo II,

yes i will be at 7 stock tomrrow. come by, i will be with Volk's



HIMNI RACING,

please give me a call on monday, i will take care of it. also I haven't never spoken to you before. only to some lady name judy. please call as asked for loi

thanks

see you all at 7 stock

glad to hear this is going to be worked like i knew it would be

loi. sorry i didnt get to meet u. was ur car in the vendor section, at the end of the 2nd row across from the fd 20b?

good meeting ya LOI...

No it wasn't hobbit, I haven't seen Loi's car there.

Who said it was worked out? I still don't have my money. I was told, NOT to talk to him. Understand that I now have more then just the $410 I sent them. I'm charged to talk to my lawyer!! That's CASH out of my pocket. I tryed to do this the nice way....I didn't want any of this to happen. Just read my email to him. I was telling him the truth when I wrote it. I'm STILL telling the truth