Judge Ito

Steve, I don't feel your tunning of the timing maps are OFF. I'm thinking the PFC is not correctly adjusting timing advance under boost and keeping the engine running a retard timing under boost causing Xtremely high EGT's. Next dyno session I'll be there helping Mike with his car. I'll be checking proper timing advance under boost.



The exhaust port opening is under 5mm vs the stock exhaust port opening. It opens 2mm earlier then the stock port. I have almost seen it all in the world of porting. Done just about everything. Big port's vs small ports and I've yet to see this problem Mikes car is having. I've only seen warped apex seals in 2 cases. Lean air fuel mixture or high EGT's ... The air fuel ratio mixture has been addressed in this case, but the cause of high egt's has not been checked through ignition timing under high boost.

Badog

Need a log. Got any of the old ones? Would be able to tell in the log what was happening with IGN. If a sensor went caca, that could take you down up to 6 degrees advance alone. Couple of sensors....maybe more.



I like that Mike is getting EGT bung(s) now. That is going to be nice to watch.

Maxt

Couple of questions, how is your fuel rail hooked up(plumbed), and does the POwer FC fire the injectors in batch or sequential?....Maxt

rx7tt95

One thing with Russ' engine is that he specifically requested that Pettit port the exhaust. Cam was reluctant but Russ believes he did port the exhaust as well as the intake. Russ runs a Power FC with a 550/1300 combo. He does not have an EGT guage either. The problem on his engine is being looked at by Pettit. No final conclusions yet as the engine has not been opened up. I'll have to double check, but Russ may have mentioned some Power FC issue. Too tired to remember. I'll ask or Russ, if you're reading, chime in :-)



I know of one other car that has "issues" similar to what's been described but the car has yet to even make it to the dyno. It seems to have some of the same issues under boost and the need for much fuel to run properly. Installing the same maps from my car doesn't get things working too correctly.

83turbo

Does the PFC allow you to set trigger edge for the ignition, and if so is it set correctly? Just a guess.

alberto_mg

was there ever a final conclusion about what caused Mike's seals to warp?

pluto

there were only a few things I could think of that could cause an apex seals to warp.



1.) warp rotor housing

2.) soft apex seals

3.) bad OMP

4.) too high of EGT temp

5.) not bevel on closing of exhaust port



other than that, i coulnd't think of anything else.









[quote name='alberto_mg' date='Apr 17 2005, 12:42 PM']was there ever a final conclusion about what caused Mike's seals to warp?


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ccarlisi

[quote name='alberto_mg' date='Apr 17 2005, 12:42 PM']was there ever a final conclusion about what caused Mike's seals to warp?


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Hi Alberto I heard about your problem. It must have seemed eerily familiar after witnessing Mike go through the same thing on the same dyno the previous year.



We still don't know what caused Mike's problem. I purchase the car from him after he went through the last motor. The Ito motor was pulled and examined by another builder. For what it's worth, the other builder made the following observations:



1. Despite Mike being told 2 piece seals were used in his motor the builder found 3 piece seals -so I guess the new apex seals were not the problem as we previously suspected.

2. The clearance on the side seals was out of spec

3. One of the irons was severely worn.

alberto_mg

thanks chris. i was going to reach out to you, but too busy with work, classes and the wedding.



that day was kinda like watching someone crush their ***** while trying to hop over a fence. except that person was now me.



i'm keeping low key about it till I get things settled with the involved parties. hopefully it doesn't turn into an unprofessional pissing match.

junito-1

Any updates? Im having same issue.with a factory port engine. Whats ironic.is that it happened at 13-14psi.for me.as well.