kuhnke

well i just read an add by mazda talking about their hydrogen rx8 and how the rotary is a petter engine for hydrogen than piston engines because of its combustion design. does any one know more about this? i found it quite interesting.

j9fd3s

the rotary is nice for 2 reasons.



1. i guess hydrogen likes to backfire, and on a normal piston engine i guess it blows the intake manifolds apart and stuff, but a rotary is nice because the intake and compression and power strokes are in different PLACES, so if there is pre ignition, or a backfire, it cant go anywhere.



2. all they have to do is drill 2 holes in the engine for the hydrogen injectors. bmw, the competition, has had to do a lot of engineering work.



if you lived in japan, you could lease a hydrogen rx8 i think, right now.

Lynn E. Hanover

Most internal combustion engines will run well on natural gas, propane, or hydrogen. Most fork lifts used inside buildings run on propane, because of lower carbon monoxide output.



Propane carburetters are available for fleet use. Big cab fleets use them. Ver good engine life is one feature. There is no liquid fuel to wash away lubication in the cylinders. There are no solids to develope and foul the oiling system.



Except for the availability of the fuel, and the mods that must be made to the vehicles, such as a pressure bottle and the carb, there is little reason to avoid running compressed gas as a fuel.



Range is not as good as with gasoline, and power output will be less than gasoline. In the case of propane, it is made from oil, so does not help with an oil shortage. But with little changes, most systems that work with hydrogen will work with liquified natural gas, and we have lots of that. Hydrogen can be removed from natural gas and from breaking down water electrically but that is very expensive. Hydrogen is probably a long way off.



Just another pie in the sky tree hugger dream idea, and the car companies who blatantly play to this group to keep them quiet. So instead of saying out loud that :



We will build all of our cars to run on good thoughts and a cup of water each year, so you tree huggers can sit on a hill and drink a coke, and perhaps cause world peace, by passing the bong around, we will tell the truth and say we will work on hydrogen power when the last drop of oil have been pumped out of Texas and not one second sooner.



So, yes Mazda and everyone else is reported to be working on hydrogen fueled cars.............And you can read about it. But if you owned one right now, how far from a hydrogen filling station could you drive it?



And where is that hydrogen filling station????? In the Peoples Republic of California is my bet. Keep those tree huggers quiet, and maybe you can still sell cars in the Republic. There will come a day when there will be no new car dealers in California. Grandfathered old cars that need not meet the NEW CARB requirements is all that is legal to drive.



It was called the City of Angels because clouds of hydrocarbons from creosote bushes were trapped against the moutains by the sea breeze. It was like that 1000 years ago. There were very few cars 1000 years ago. It is called Natural by some people. It is of course called a crisis by CARB, requiring yet more restrictive rules. It is a good idea, but still more expensive than gasoline.



Lynn E. Hanover

Baldy

I know what creosote is (in reference to my chimney, anyway), but what is a creosote bush?

Lynn E. Hanover

From Wickopedia.





Larrea tridentata (creosote bush) is a flowering plant in the family Zygophyllaceae. It is a prominent species in the Mojave, Sonoran, and Chihuahuan Deserts of western North America, including portions of California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico and western Texas in the United States, and northern Chihuahua in Mexico. It is closely related to the South American Larrea divaricata, and was formerly treated as the same species.



It is an evergreen shrub growing to 1-3 m tall, rarely 4 m. The wand-like stems of the plant bear resinous, dark green leaves with two leaflets joined at the base, each leaflet 7-18 mm long and 4-8.5 mm broad. The flowers are up to 25 mm diameter, with five yellow petals. The whole plant exhibits a characteristic odor of creosote, from which the common name derives.



Any evergreen plant gives off hydrocarbon gasses with the oxygen they generate. Used as a defence against insects, and defeats other plants growing close by. The pine trees do this also, and are the source of the Name of the Smokey Mountains. Hydrocarbon clouds. In a pine forrest, the burning trees nearly explode when heated. Hydrocarbon fuel is the cause.[/size]

Lynn E. Hanover

Lynn E. Hanover

Although it is no longer legal to use, Creosote solvent (from the plant) was used to preserve wood products. For years we knew not to lean on a fence post that looked black and had that bad smell. The creosote would burn the **** out of your skin. Same thing it does to bugs and other plants. Find one growing wild and rub a leaf on your arm. Don't touch you eyes before washing up.



Lynn E. Hanover

BDC

Damn, that global warming.



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j9fd3s

nope, we wont get em. its new technology, we cant have that here