Why buy gas? Go Hydrogen. Onoy the government says it cost to much and
09-05-2007, 10:40 PM
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Since early 60s People have been Using Hydrogen to Fuel Engines.
We all know that Methane burns slow. It would not really be a good fuel to burn alone. It is a Dirty fuel. But with Hydrogen and its burn rate 10 times faster than gas. And will get you nearly ten times farther.
it will Combust the Methane faster then By itself. I have been Doing some research on other fuels. And after a Long time Found a video on youtube that got leaked. this video was a $50 from the owner Roy mcalister in Arizona.
I found some amazing facts of this video. and the guy seems very trust worthy. this video is like 120 minutes. slow in some parts but amazing. they will take you on a drive in a real Hydrogen geo metro. (didn't cost a million dollars either) infact the tanks hoses and lines + regulators, The cost is like 1500-2000 MAX to make your car a Hydrogen car.(at 50 cents a gal EQ) You may ask where can i get Hydrogen fuel. well Isnt it od No one talks about that. Well thanks to our Government and cover Ups. and Killings of people that have got there car to run on water No one can get the word out.. But thanks to Email, Youtube and groups i say we will have the word spread faster than ever... If you Dont beleive the coverups and the Killings our government has commited to Keep Big oil in bussiness then take a look at the First Video. That will change your Mind.. There is no reason to be running on gasoline anymore. I will put the video with Roy Mcalister in also. Spread the word...
Prax air Sells Hydrogen. Not only that But most anything you need. There are a few praxairs Localy.. I see the future of prax air is going to be rich. Stocks are already rising. And might Explode.
No pun Intended.
and You can make Hydrogen at home and pressure it up Into your tanks..
Methane Hydrogen mix is amazing. Check out these VIDS
"Stan Meyers car that runs on water" Killed by our government
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ2DdCZlOk
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Roy Mcalister of Arizona..... Been using Hydrogen for 45 years..
On you tube "Engine Fundamentals" #1-#10 I posted the First part. you need to watch all ten.. they are all listed on youtube Under Engine Fundamentals.. the first few videos are more Info than flashy test drives or Equipment testing. thats on the ending videos
We all know that Methane burns slow. It would not really be a good fuel to burn alone. It is a Dirty fuel. But with Hydrogen and its burn rate 10 times faster than gas. And will get you nearly ten times farther.
it will Combust the Methane faster then By itself. I have been Doing some research on other fuels. And after a Long time Found a video on youtube that got leaked. this video was a $50 from the owner Roy mcalister in Arizona.
I found some amazing facts of this video. and the guy seems very trust worthy. this video is like 120 minutes. slow in some parts but amazing. they will take you on a drive in a real Hydrogen geo metro. (didn't cost a million dollars either) infact the tanks hoses and lines + regulators, The cost is like 1500-2000 MAX to make your car a Hydrogen car.(at 50 cents a gal EQ) You may ask where can i get Hydrogen fuel. well Isnt it od No one talks about that. Well thanks to our Government and cover Ups. and Killings of people that have got there car to run on water No one can get the word out.. But thanks to Email, Youtube and groups i say we will have the word spread faster than ever... If you Dont beleive the coverups and the Killings our government has commited to Keep Big oil in bussiness then take a look at the First Video. That will change your Mind.. There is no reason to be running on gasoline anymore. I will put the video with Roy Mcalister in also. Spread the word...
Prax air Sells Hydrogen. Not only that But most anything you need. There are a few praxairs Localy.. I see the future of prax air is going to be rich. Stocks are already rising. And might Explode.
No pun Intended.
and You can make Hydrogen at home and pressure it up Into your tanks..
Methane Hydrogen mix is amazing. Check out these VIDS
"Stan Meyers car that runs on water" Killed by our government
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ2DdCZlOk
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Roy Mcalister of Arizona..... Been using Hydrogen for 45 years..
On you tube "Engine Fundamentals" #1-#10 I posted the First part. you need to watch all ten.. they are all listed on youtube Under Engine Fundamentals.. the first few videos are more Info than flashy test drives or Equipment testing. thats on the ending videos
09-05-2007, 11:22 PM
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Sweet. I have been waiting for this.
I have heard that rotaries are well suited for hydrogen
If any of you motor heads wanna come up with a "hybrid conversation kit" that would be baller. I know that there are three rx-8's driving around in japan somewhere that with the flip of a switch can go to regular gasoline to hydrogen. I'm no environmentalist (None of us are, we drive rotaries^^) but I am not out to pollute either. And at .50 a gallon, with all the gas that my FD sucks, hydrogen at the flip of a switch would be nice.
I have heard that rotaries are well suited for hydrogen
If any of you motor heads wanna come up with a "hybrid conversation kit" that would be baller. I know that there are three rx-8's driving around in japan somewhere that with the flip of a switch can go to regular gasoline to hydrogen. I'm no environmentalist (None of us are, we drive rotaries^^) but I am not out to pollute either. And at .50 a gallon, with all the gas that my FD sucks, hydrogen at the flip of a switch would be nice.
09-06-2007, 01:03 AM
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sorry guys, dosen't work. wish it did.
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.
Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.
Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.
09-06-2007, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by partly mazda' post='882042' date='Sep 5 2007, 11:03 PM
sorry guys, dosen't work. wish it did.
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.
Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.
Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.
Wow you are going to eat your words. you are behind in the times. I smell a government employee right here! I dont beleive i am hearing this. Its not how much power it takes. its how the power is used. 1amp at 20 cycles a second make more burnable gas than what it takes to make it. its all in the MHZs
09-06-2007, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by partly mazda' post='882042' date='Sep 5 2007, 11:03 PM
sorry guys, dosen't work. wish it did.
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.
Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen)
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight. The fuel is already spent.
Now, using hydrogen as fuel is a great, you just need alot of electricity to make it. The key is getting cheap electricity, not finding new ways to split water. Any devise that trys to split the water before it enters the engine will end up using more energy to process the reaction than you will get out by burning the fuel. Maybe invest in some long extension cords. BTW i did enjoy the videos.
Sorry but a few things bothered me with the responce..
water is not a good fuel because it has already been burned( oxidized hydrogen) HUH?
the process of seperating the hydrogen back out always takes more energy than you get by burning it.(period)
Back out?
Like i put the Hydrogen in the water myself? i dont get it
The idea of powering anything with water is well.... like eating a turd and expecting to gain weight.
LMAO OH OK
you just need alot of electricity to make it.
You sure about that? what is alot? there are working Hydrogen genoraters working 24-7 at some college making the electricity and hot water for there class rooms.. its been proven to work
09-06-2007, 02:01 AM
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so. if I use your method.. I amp at 20 cycles to produce burnable gas.. Pump the gas into my rx. My rx has a bicycle generator to power up the machine to make more hydrogen fuel. I just add water to it now and then to take me and princess to the store and back. While we are in the store we can leave the machine on (powered by the car battery) and have alittle extra juice to shoot some flames back at kettleman. When we get home , I plug it into the battery charger and garden hose, let it barbecue those steaks we just picked up,,, nothing better than flame broiled steaks.
09-06-2007, 02:06 AM
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My method for fueling my car. It not only powers my rx, but cleans up the environment too. I call it the dynosaur liquification process.I still have a few bugs to work out(dyno population is down), but until then we can use yappy dogs, horses and all the ex-wives we can scrounge up. Gotta run it at night though(Happily married couples complain about the smell)
09-06-2007, 02:19 AM
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Well lets say for a second Hydrogen cost more to make than what it puts out. It is still the Fuel of the future. Its clean. You clean the air when you are driving. then finealy when ever they get around to puting them on Jet liners they can start cleaning up the Mess they made in the sky. Its funny how they blame global warming on cars more than they do on airplanes.
there are like 10,000 planes in us airspace at anyone time. burning 200,000 gallons. To be honest i forgot how much fuel lets say a 747 can hold. I will have to check on my flight simulator. But at anyrate they are burning fuel High up at 30k or 40,000 feet and most of it just stays up there. I think planes burn almost as much if not more fuel than cars down here.. At least some of the car polution is eaten up by plants and **** down here at ground leval... But i will be honest i Like the Hydrogen/methane/propane idea More for how it is cheaper to use and i can drive around and travel for cheap rather than saving the earth. I mean i would like that too. but i will hope to be long dead before the earth catches fire lol
there are like 10,000 planes in us airspace at anyone time. burning 200,000 gallons. To be honest i forgot how much fuel lets say a 747 can hold. I will have to check on my flight simulator. But at anyrate they are burning fuel High up at 30k or 40,000 feet and most of it just stays up there. I think planes burn almost as much if not more fuel than cars down here.. At least some of the car polution is eaten up by plants and **** down here at ground leval... But i will be honest i Like the Hydrogen/methane/propane idea More for how it is cheaper to use and i can drive around and travel for cheap rather than saving the earth. I mean i would like that too. but i will hope to be long dead before the earth catches fire lol
09-06-2007, 02:39 AM
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Hydrogen is great,, it just dosen't occur naturally,, you have to make it. You use electricity to make it. Electricity comes from mostly fossil fuels. Essentually you are still burning gas when you use hydrogen.
Think of an engine, fueled by hydrogen, powering a generator, using electrolisis to make hydrogen to fuel the engine. (just add water)
sorry dosen't work
Think of an engine, fueled by hydrogen, powering a generator, using electrolisis to make hydrogen to fuel the engine. (just add water)
sorry dosen't work