Hydrogen Rotary?
01-09-2004, 05:33 AM
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I've been interested in hydrogen as a fuel for the rotary for a long time. Check this website out and tell me what you think. Click the video link in the upper right corner. http://www.xogen.ca/
01-09-2004, 09:22 AM
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This is a passion of mine and I am glad someone brought this topic up.
Mazda made a hydrogen rotary as early as 92'
Rotaries have such an advantage over pistons for burning hydrogen. Especially the renesis that does not overlap exhaust and intake.
There seems to be two different schools of thought for hydrogen vehicles. Onboard production of hydrogen and offsite production. Auto manufacturers seem to have a real boner for offsite production and storing/transporting massive quantities of h2 that requires massive infrastructure. The "little guy" seems to be looking at onboard production more. Check out U.S. patent 2,006,676 by Charles H. Garrett granted in 1935. This was nearly seventy years ago and he made a vehicle that ran off of a carburetor that produced hydrogen and oxygen from water all of this happened onboard the vehicle.
Even people now claim to have vehicles that run off of hydrogen that is produced on board from water via high amperage electrolysis. When you do the math it seems so unlikely but not impossible. But yet people still claim to do it. BTU for BTU it would take so much hydrogen to power a gasoline engine. But people are doing things like heating hydrogen to nearly adverse temperatures (to add BTUs), they are using electrolysis units that dont just use the brute force of amperage but pulse the electricity to get monoatomic hydrogen gas (this doubles the volume of gas).
With all of this being said, I don't know that it is impossible physically. But I do feel that the government makes too much money off of gasoline taxation. The majority of non income tax revenue comes from petrol sales. It would literally bankrupt our country if hydrogen fuel was made feasible overnight. Nothing else with the exception of taxing ALL internet transactions could generate enough revenue to compare with petrol tax. It is stricly business.
Don't think I am a conspiracy theory freak now. I don't view the government is a hoarder of money and exploiter of resources. The U.S. goevernment provides us with a great deal of amenities and freedom. These things have price tags. Cash has to come from somewhere, taxation is where it happens.
If we don't keep this going here PM me, I have 2,000+ pages of hydrogen/auto/and electrolysis patents and I love to talk about Hydrogen.
Mazda made a hydrogen rotary as early as 92'
Rotaries have such an advantage over pistons for burning hydrogen. Especially the renesis that does not overlap exhaust and intake.
There seems to be two different schools of thought for hydrogen vehicles. Onboard production of hydrogen and offsite production. Auto manufacturers seem to have a real boner for offsite production and storing/transporting massive quantities of h2 that requires massive infrastructure. The "little guy" seems to be looking at onboard production more. Check out U.S. patent 2,006,676 by Charles H. Garrett granted in 1935. This was nearly seventy years ago and he made a vehicle that ran off of a carburetor that produced hydrogen and oxygen from water all of this happened onboard the vehicle.
Even people now claim to have vehicles that run off of hydrogen that is produced on board from water via high amperage electrolysis. When you do the math it seems so unlikely but not impossible. But yet people still claim to do it. BTU for BTU it would take so much hydrogen to power a gasoline engine. But people are doing things like heating hydrogen to nearly adverse temperatures (to add BTUs), they are using electrolysis units that dont just use the brute force of amperage but pulse the electricity to get monoatomic hydrogen gas (this doubles the volume of gas).
With all of this being said, I don't know that it is impossible physically. But I do feel that the government makes too much money off of gasoline taxation. The majority of non income tax revenue comes from petrol sales. It would literally bankrupt our country if hydrogen fuel was made feasible overnight. Nothing else with the exception of taxing ALL internet transactions could generate enough revenue to compare with petrol tax. It is stricly business.
Don't think I am a conspiracy theory freak now. I don't view the government is a hoarder of money and exploiter of resources. The U.S. goevernment provides us with a great deal of amenities and freedom. These things have price tags. Cash has to come from somewhere, taxation is where it happens.
If we don't keep this going here PM me, I have 2,000+ pages of hydrogen/auto/and electrolysis patents and I love to talk about Hydrogen.
01-09-2004, 09:33 AM
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twstdmtl...keep it coming! That was a good read man!
I agree and glad you mentioned the latter...
...Taxation is important, as much as we grumble...it sort of keeps things "balanced"...after all..."Nothing is as certain as Death and Taxes".
We DO have a lot of money, work, and workers invested in the Patrol business...to completely DUMP it would be detramental. However, isn't it at all possible to make a "market" out of hydrogen...require that you use/buy a certain supplier and provider? Not sure...
Question for you: What does this mean in HP? Does it reduce the amount of HP possible? Many Deisel and Hybrid cars aren't too powerful...And what could/would it mean for turbo's? It's still an Air/Hydro mix right? Err something...(As it may seem, I have no clue..)
I agree and glad you mentioned the latter...
...Taxation is important, as much as we grumble...it sort of keeps things "balanced"...after all..."Nothing is as certain as Death and Taxes".
We DO have a lot of money, work, and workers invested in the Patrol business...to completely DUMP it would be detramental. However, isn't it at all possible to make a "market" out of hydrogen...require that you use/buy a certain supplier and provider? Not sure...
Question for you: What does this mean in HP? Does it reduce the amount of HP possible? Many Deisel and Hybrid cars aren't too powerful...And what could/would it mean for turbo's? It's still an Air/Hydro mix right? Err something...(As it may seem, I have no clue..)
01-09-2004, 09:37 AM
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I remember reading the hydrogen rotary acticle when I was in my first year of high school! Something that really, really hit me...that something was better than the piston engine at something...and me really hating pretty much every piston powered at the time, because their all boring, made part of my madula ablongada a little happier than the rest of my brain...
01-09-2004, 09:38 AM
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Even if all cars manufacturered suddenly were hydrogen powered, there would still be just as much pollution. The methods to process it would still use electricity, which is mostly created by fossil fuels today. The fossil fuel consumption would decrease for vehicles, yet increase for hydrogen production/electric power. Hydrogen won't be a success for the environment until we can find a better means of deriving it. If we were to do an entire revamp of energy production, switching to only solar, wind, and falling water generators, and at the same time use hydrogen powered cars, then it would be a success.
Sorry if this is irrelevant, I didn't quite read through that whole website.
Sorry if this is irrelevant, I didn't quite read through that whole website.
01-09-2004, 09:40 AM
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OH, and I would love a company with a cool sounding name like "Xogen" be the evil company that forces all humans into slave labour and starts building a race of cyborg humans...that are all clean burning.
That would be cool
ALL HAIL Xogen!
That would be cool
ALL HAIL Xogen!
01-09-2004, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by defprun' date='Jan 9 2004, 11:40 AM
OH, and I would love a company with a cool sounding name like "Xogen" be the evil company that forces all humans into slave labour and starts building a race of cyborg humans...that are all clean burning.
That would be cool
ALL HAIL Xogen!
That would be cool
ALL HAIL Xogen!