Pros/Cons about painting with a Candy Color
11-29-2002, 05:26 PM
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"Those cars look good indoors but when the sun shines on those types of paint jobs, the imperfection in the "candy" process really shows, sort of the way a mettalic paint job does."
Do you not find its the other way around? We have strip lights in our work shop and skylights (which to be honist need cleaning) that dont show the pearl up as much as it does out side and makes it look to yellow.
I am a pro Painter and have been doing the job for the last 15 years, I dont know what all the probelm is? U say Candy paint is expencive? nar its just a pearl not even close to things like Chroma and yeh it needs to be put on evely but what doesnt?
Do you not find its the other way around? We have strip lights in our work shop and skylights (which to be honist need cleaning) that dont show the pearl up as much as it does out side and makes it look to yellow.
I am a pro Painter and have been doing the job for the last 15 years, I dont know what all the probelm is? U say Candy paint is expencive? nar its just a pearl not even close to things like Chroma and yeh it needs to be put on evely but what doesnt?
11-30-2002, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly' date='Nov 29 2002, 06:26 PM
"Those cars look good indoors but when the sun shines on those types of paint jobs, the imperfection in the "candy" process really shows, sort of the way a mettalic paint job does."
Do you not find its the other way around? We have strip lights in our work shop and skylights (which to be honist need cleaning) that dont show the pearl up as much as it does out side and makes it look to yellow.
I am a pro Painter and have been doing the job for the last 15 years, I dont know what all the probelm is? U say Candy paint is expencive? nar its just a pearl not even close to things like Chroma and yeh it needs to be put on evely but what doesnt?
Do you not find its the other way around? We have strip lights in our work shop and skylights (which to be honist need cleaning) that dont show the pearl up as much as it does out side and makes it look to yellow.
I am a pro Painter and have been doing the job for the last 15 years, I dont know what all the probelm is? U say Candy paint is expencive? nar its just a pearl not even close to things like Chroma and yeh it needs to be put on evely but what doesnt?
I never said the PEARLS wont show up as good as they would outdoors, I said the IMPERFECTIONS wont show up indoors like they will outdoors.
The guys question was if a candy paint job was good for a daily driven car, my answer is no. Mainly because he will have a hard time finding a painter or better yet a shop who even wants to get involved, plus the fact that the guy probably only wanted to spend $2000 on a paint job so you know he wasnt going to get the quality paint job that you yourself would put on your own car, or someone who spends the money needed for a good quality candy paint job.
Again, for a daily driven car that will get damage, do you think that when it comes time to repair this type of paint job that the person performing the repair will achieve IDENTICAL effects and the car will look like it was never fixed? To someone who has some money to play with maybe its not a factor, or someone who will only take thier cars out occasionally
As a painter you should know painting a whole car can be much easier then repairing someone else's paint job. Its all your own technique and any slight variations in gun pressure or material delivery/atomization will be overall, versus trying to duplicate someone elses work, techiniques, enviroment in which they sprayed, or someone else who doesnt follow proper procedures, etc.
Most of these colors being sold today as "kandy"colors mimic a true candy paint job, 3 coats of basecoat and 2-3 coats of pure clear is no way a candy apple paint job.
12-01-2002, 06:44 PM
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Are you a painter? With direct sunlight its ALWAYS going to look better than indoors if you are talking imperfections not Tram lines or patches.
I think you are getting Candy and Chroma mixed up, you are right you put 2 full coats and a drop coat then 2 coats of Clear on a Base Solid,Met or Candy on a Chroma you put your 2 ground coats then 2 more coats of Chroma to give the colour then 2 clear. Chroma is super expencive at around $500 a liter + Ground and Clear. As for Matching if you know what you've painted it with you wont have a problem (again you are thinking of old Pearls/Mica 3 stages that was a royal pain in the rear to match)
Even if i was hard pushed and did'nt know what it had been painted in i could go to my Profie system (like colour swatches for nearly ever colour made) and select a colour that is a close match and blend it into the next panels and you would'nt tell, it may take a full day to get the colour right but it can be done.
I personly look after my cars for example i repainted one in 3 stage Pearl (white over a Blue ground) i did this when i was an Aprentice (aprox 12 years ago in another make of paint) and still own the car, its looks ok but i had to do some stone chips on it a year ago and you would'nt tell and this is considered the hardest colour to replicate exactly.
If you are a Pro painter and have the Experiance things like this should not be a Problem. You are quite right it is harder to put some one elses mess right but why acept it back in the first place?
When you say Candy Apple what do you mean? As Candy Apple is a Lambo colour (Candy Apple Blue), its a Old 3 stage and its very pearl you are proberly mistaking that with todays 2 stage Candy colours?
I think you are getting Candy and Chroma mixed up, you are right you put 2 full coats and a drop coat then 2 coats of Clear on a Base Solid,Met or Candy on a Chroma you put your 2 ground coats then 2 more coats of Chroma to give the colour then 2 clear. Chroma is super expencive at around $500 a liter + Ground and Clear. As for Matching if you know what you've painted it with you wont have a problem (again you are thinking of old Pearls/Mica 3 stages that was a royal pain in the rear to match)
Even if i was hard pushed and did'nt know what it had been painted in i could go to my Profie system (like colour swatches for nearly ever colour made) and select a colour that is a close match and blend it into the next panels and you would'nt tell, it may take a full day to get the colour right but it can be done.
I personly look after my cars for example i repainted one in 3 stage Pearl (white over a Blue ground) i did this when i was an Aprentice (aprox 12 years ago in another make of paint) and still own the car, its looks ok but i had to do some stone chips on it a year ago and you would'nt tell and this is considered the hardest colour to replicate exactly.
If you are a Pro painter and have the Experiance things like this should not be a Problem. You are quite right it is harder to put some one elses mess right but why acept it back in the first place?
When you say Candy Apple what do you mean? As Candy Apple is a Lambo colour (Candy Apple Blue), its a Old 3 stage and its very pearl you are proberly mistaking that with todays 2 stage Candy colours?
12-02-2002, 12:31 PM
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Candy apple is the term for the old laquer paint jobs that were a base of gold or silver then clear with color, then clear only. Basically after the whole process you get the color effect but because of the depth the paint jobs looked incredible. I seen a candyapple brandywine paint job on a 50 Merc, the paint was stunning.
Maybe we were mistaken here in this case. Yes BC/CC pearl/chroma can be much easier duplicated.
We both know if you have to fix a fender your probably going to end up blending in the door, hood, bumper with a custom job like that, maybe even the whole side of the car. So a scratch in a door or fender turns into a expensive thing, not really good for a daily driven car in my opinion. Which was the original question for this post, to which the guy hasnt even replied back, lol.
I am a painter and with the imperfections I was talking about was lines and patches
Then again I have learned that most people cant see obvious imperfections. How many cars you see pull up at a stop light next to you and makes you shake your head at the horrendous body and paint work thats on thier car!
Maybe we were mistaken here in this case. Yes BC/CC pearl/chroma can be much easier duplicated.
We both know if you have to fix a fender your probably going to end up blending in the door, hood, bumper with a custom job like that, maybe even the whole side of the car. So a scratch in a door or fender turns into a expensive thing, not really good for a daily driven car in my opinion. Which was the original question for this post, to which the guy hasnt even replied back, lol.
I am a painter and with the imperfections I was talking about was lines and patches
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