Ok then, take the turbo off of your car and see which car smokes which. A turboed second gen may or may not smoke an FD... there are many a variables to each- mods, driver, etc. Just because you've yet to be smoked by one doesn't mean that they don't exist. If the TIIs put as much money into their cars as you did buying your car, it would smoke yours. Just because a car has more money into it doesn't mean its better.

 

Ok then, take the turbo off of your car and see which car smokes which. A turboed second gen may or may not smoke an FD... there are many a variables to each- mods, driver, etc. Just because you've yet to be smoked by one doesn't mean that they don't exist. If the TIIs put as much money into their cars as you did buying your car, it would smoke yours. Just because a car has more money into it doesn't mean its better. [/quote]

OK your wrong on all accounts.

First off my car is rated with more HP bone stock than a bone stock TII so adding the same cash into each car will not yeild the same results. You are forgetting that

my car is the better, updated version of the TII. Dont get mad at me, get mad at Mazda.

Secondly my car came stock with twin turbos so talking them off is pointless, it was designed with them. So My car is a turbo car no if and or buts.



Now if you talk about putting a 13B-rew in a FC or adding a 20B in a FC, then you might have something, but then your FC is no longer using its original system, it is using Fd, or Cosmo parts and is not really a FC anymore (for the beneift of this conversation)



So basically your in denial that the FD is newer and better. Personally I dont see the debate. It's pretty obvious. So cry me a river



I'll be waiting for that FC to beat me

 

And that does not even compare to a stock FD!

 

For overall mean the FC But for a clean silent killer the fd

FC was great during its time But the fd has and still is whipping more cars 10 years later

 

Dave, you seem to have alot of confidence for someone with no dyno numbers or 1/4 mile times, all that seems to be based on "well rikki's car ran 11s, and mine has 99 spec turbos." I'm not really trying to call you out, but you've been pretty relentless on the attack on 2nd gens. If you are talking about S5 tiis, the motor is almost identical to a 3rd gen, port size and all. Even the S4 engine really isn't all that different and the potential to make HUGE power is still there. I'm not much into drag racing although i like to watch sometimes, however i don't see you running any 11s on those tires you go on their, and as far as road racing, forget it.



As far as which one is tougher, you probably need to at least drive both to give an impression. I agree with almost everyone, the FD feels really exotic, but it also feels umm, how should i say this, delicate maybe? When i drive my FC it really begs to be beaten on, probably more than any other car i've driven.



But this is a poll as to which LOOKS tougher, and its based on opinion of what YOU like. It natural that most people will like their own car better, with the exception of the fact that some people with FCs just don't have enough money for FDs but aspire to have them. When i bought my car, i was shopping for either, and i thought to myself that for a project car the FC would be a better choice. Plus it was one of those cars i really really wanted when i was growing up. I kind of like the fact that when i show up to the RX7 events that i am one of maybe 3 or 4 turboIIs and not one of 80 FDs.

 

i just remembered this pic that i thought gave a pretty good comparision on the cars. You'll notice that on the evil forum alf's car was the feature car...umm forever. Rob's car had just as much stuff done to it, but no one really cared too much. Its natural to see a well done up 3rd gen that is fast as hell, but when you see a nicely done second gen that is fast as hell, it really catches your attention.

 

too bad for alf's car now its in pieces but done up is a diffrent story look at the rx8 re kit that car looks mean but sucks *****

 

Ok, maybe I could've worded by argument a bit better.



You were goin off saying how the NA FCs would get smoked by a volvo. What I was trying to say was that if you took the turbos off of your car, it would be the same situation for you. I know what you mean by saying it would be stupid to take off the turbos, but I'm just stating that point. I doubt a volvo could smoke a TII.



As for the money argument again what I biffed on saying was that you buy a 3rd gen for what now? The cheapest I usually find worth buying are around 10-12K. ANd that's just for buying the car. Now lets say that you find a TII worth buying, probably about 5K, and you drop an extra 5K into it to match the 3rd gen and I would guess that you'd have a pretty good race on your hands.



In any case, the 3rd gens are 2X maybe 3X as much as the TIIs are. I would hope that they would be able to beat them.

 

Yesterday I went to my mazda dealer and checked out the RX-8. The only one they had was they $34000 fully loaded version. Rims/Leather/widescreen dvd navigation/small ground effects. The car looked bad ***, yellow to boot. For some reason I wanted it more than an FD. I also asked the dealer about a turbo option. He said next year, but there are allready turbo kits out there for it now? WTF? T-Kit for an rx-8, but not an FC? I think he didn't know what he was talking about. Anyway, check this pic. I think it is ******* badass.

 

Your right, but feel free to race me anyday if you want me to back up my claims.

I am always open to a challange. I dont need feel the need to prove a proven set up but if you insist.