Rob x-7

maybe im old fashioned- i shut my computer off at the end of the day, sometimes on the weekend I leave my house computer on standby, but otherwise it gets shut off.



here is a thought- I wonder what the ratio of PCs to macs is?



wonder if equal amounts of each were sold how would they compare then? the more you make the more potential for failures

phinsup

HP and Dell use **** components, the cheapest they can get their hands on, apple does not. Again, I can only speak from experience I have owned ALL of the afformentioned and can tell you just by the components that apple uses their **** will last longer. I can pretty much assume that most people here saying the mac isn't worth the money have never owned one. Let me hear from one person that has owned all of them and I'll be more apt to listen to their advice, or rather Baldy should be more apt to listen to their advice as they can speak from experience not from conjecture. You are merely stating that the apple isn't worth the money and I am not clear on how that conclusion can be reached without extensive experience with both.



As far as "failures" the one thing I can tell you about HP is if you do have a failure their support is absolutely horrible, I have this experience first hand. Look around online you'll see glowing reviews on apples support, guess what when you call apple you get to talk to an american in california THAT SPEAKS ENGLISH.



I'm not really sure what the ratio of pc's to macs has to do with apple build quality, the fact is even if they make less, they use much better hardware. The ratio of Fords to Honda's in america was once 9 to 1 too, didn't mean Ford had the better quality car, just meant there were more of them.

Rob x-7

im not saying macs are better JUST because they make less of them, i was just wondering if they started to sell a bazillion of them which would mean they would have to have to sub thier parts out if the quality would drop? its more of a conversation- did not mean to offend the mac users!



Im sure if I owned one one I would give it a rave review, but I just think for a regular guy who is using it for light home use he can spend money elsewhere thats all.

phinsup

I really dont know, they do have a hell of a lot more market share then they did 5 years ago, like double the market share. It's really all about the quality of components, there are some pc manufacturers that use good components as well.... alienware is one of them and guess what.... they cost about the same as a similarily configured mac. HP and Dell are cheap because they use the cheapest components they can get their hands on, hell dell uses recycled components in brand new pc's. It's essentially like comparing a Kia to a Toyota, you can certainly save a lot of money buying the kia and the warranty will be comforting when the tow truck tows your kia to the shop and you get to ride the bus and I'm sure most Kia owners once they buy a Toyota will never buy another kia



When you compare the operating systems osx blows the doors off windoze in EVERY possible way.

75 Repu

do they have serial ports? i have an adapter from usb to serial to connect to the megasquirt. That would be cool. Despite being able to run many of the progs some still dont run the same as they do on a pc.. particularly games.. at least not without having to fiddle with stuff.. which makes it like a windows pc.. when you interact with it on that level it becomes more of a advanced user's system. I agree that they are much nicer and out of the box they do have much more user friendly things installed. I would like one for the house , but certain programs like we had in the locksmith business with my bro are hardware/software dependant and just runnin windows on the system will not cut it.. I know what you mean, it is a better system, but as it grows as rob says, the more you have out the the more problems that will be reported. Like I said, i'd rather get Patty a Mac due to ease of use and convenient features which i'm sure she will like.. you should see when i take her to the apple store.. my parents whom are 60ish years old would probably learn how to use a mac before a windows pc as well, what the hell are they gonna do when they need repairs in Nicaragua.. ? no one will know what to do.. and parts will not be available. the programs to interface on the net there would require windows because the software is setup that way. Until Mac has the lions share of the computers on the market it will be tough for me to be sold. I need to have a PC always just for them because i can help them figure out what the hell is wrong.. Since i'm here in the US I can get a Mac and have a separate pc for the dirty work.. like connecting to the megasquirt.. thats saying something.. The mac is too good to be seen in my garage gettin dirty know what i mean.. Its a more stylish option with great ammenities, but I like the variety. I do have Mac experience but no by owning one.. I used to help a 67 year old friend and got him up to date on the internet age.. after a bad experience for him with pc's due to the annoying learning curve he got a mac, and i showed him how to use everything on it. Much better and easier to get into.



Im not hating on the MAC. dont get me wrong damnit!! I know it is better BUT I would be much much more inclined to use their system if i could build my own pc and run their OS. because it can be done much cheaper.. the hardware is not nearly as expensive. I can build a nice home pc for like 800, nice gaming rig, blazing fast.. for free i can run linux and fiddle with cedega or wine to run my games. I can boot windows for what i need and whatever does not run in wine. with XP too.. **** vista.. lol.. But i do understand your point captn. Just that certain things i use are optimized for pc "hardware"..

75 Repu

Oh i have always had dell stuff. .I never had a issue with the replacement of parts. My buddy has a Mac that had to be serviced a couple of times till they replaced it.. then his time machine crapped out .. Luckily Mac replaced all his stuff but he had to hassle them.. and this is the same buddy trying to turn my over to the mac side.. He's also very limited on computer knowledge despite his growing use of them.. i have no idea if that contributed to his failures..

Rob x-7

funny enough the only time I had to call dell was when the computer was 2 months old, the indian speaking person on the other end of the phone was aggrevating to deal with, but they ended up sending me a new computer. I actually ended up with 2 of them because I never sent the original one back to them! So I loaded up my replacement Dell with another hard drive and double the memory.



they called me like 2 months later asking if i sent it- I was like "I sent it out that week", that was the end of it.

I also had a extra hard drive they sent me, replacement memory, and a full windows XP software disk that was uninstalled- I wonder if I can use that to "downgrade" a new PC?? I almost forgot about my extra copy of XP till now.



I never had to call HP for the laptop, and thankfully I have not had to call Dell since that one time.

phinsup

OK so just so I've got this strait EVERYONE telling baldy NOT to buy the Mac has no first hand or extensive experience using both? Is that correct?

phinsup

So to sum it up, ALL users that have first hand experience using both pc's and macs are saying the mac is worth the extra money. All users that have only PC experience, recommend the PC.



You can make your decision based on that data. I suggest buying from www.macmall.com if you decide to go with the mac. I have ordered both from them, no tax, super fast shipping, they call and remind you if you haven't filled out your rebates and you save a few bucks.

Rob x-7

nope, only a tinkered with it a little here and there at my cousins house. If you want to buy one for me I will be happy to give it a go!