how's that?

 

this convo is one of the best evar that i have seen.. some of the best and most accurate info and some of the biggest bs..



good job aggie on stickin to your guns.. its really reassuring

 

phoenixdown has some great insite too...

 

Perhaps I'm misinterpeting your statement, but as it stands, I have to disagree. God's (and by 'God' I speak of the one referenced in the Bible) existence and acts have not been proven by historians, nor are they accepted as truths by many people. While historians find proof of events that are referenced in religious works (such as the Bible), it is not necessarily accepted that these events are works or or pretaining to God. To do so would be do deny hundreds of other religions, all with equally influencial histories. Who is to say that these events required God? Or, perhaps it was the will of a diety worshipped in another religion that brought about these events? What happens after death? Nothing? Heaven? Hell? Nirvana? Reincarnation?



I'm not questioning your beliefs, or asking you to question them. I'm simply trying to point out that your god's existence is not necessarily accepted as true by other people. Stating that some people "need to re-think their lives" is quite a bold statement. People are entitled to their own beliefs, and it really isn't up to anyone to decide who is right or wrong on the subject of religion. It's insulting to insinuate that people who actively support something other than a certain religion haven't spent time thinking about life and religion.



Personally, I don't presume to know the truth about religion. As far as I know, all religions could be right - or all of them could be wrong - or some combination in between. I'm not asking people to share my views, and I respect your faith, but I do feel it is necessary to at least respect others' viewpoints to some extent.

 

Ok, i wasnt going to get involved in this thread due to my religous background...

i was at one time a youth leader of a church...this is not a christian standpoint or view, or a relgious view of any sorts, but from the view as a Human,i think people need to put their lives in perspective and check out how their living, not to please somone else or a god...but as too see that life should be lived for bettering your own life and the lofe of others...

 

as for the after you die thing...the way i see it, if in the end religion was right and my beleifs true, i die and go to heaven, if i was wrong about an afterlife then i still have nothing to lose...its a win/win situation

 

im not gonna get into the religious catfight, but i saw the movie last night. It was pretty damn good. Im not too religious, but i enjoyed the movie.

 

LOL

 

I liked that movie, "bruce almighty." It was funny. I don't really want to see the movie, I already know how it ends. (plus there's that whole $8-a-movie thing)

 

you are assuming that there is no such thing as a universal truth. while some may see this as true, Christians view everything in the bible as universal, undeniable truths. as a result, other religions are viewed as false and subsequently worthless. realize i said "religions" not the practicers of those religions.



your statement that some religions might all be right is false. stick to the notion of what you later said that some might be right and some might be wrong. chrisitiany says it is the only way to God and the only way to Heaven, stating that other religions are wrong. as a result, christianity is either right and every thing else wrong, or it is wrong and something else right.



the main purpose of a Christian is to spread the truth they know to unbelievers so they get the chance to accept it (God and the sacrificial death of His Son) as truth or not. their decision will be the basis of God's judgement in the afterlife.



i try not to judge people because even jesus said "i did not come to this world to judge it, i came to save it". i believe in a universal truth, that a perfect and holy God created this world and it's inhabitants with a free will to choose to accept him or not. in that decision sin errupted, and a sarifice for that sin had to be made. that sacrifice was jesus christ, God's Son.



i believe this world is overflowing with facts of this universal truth, and that science and history/archeology are only now coming of an age to support the truth.



numerous scientists are speaking out against evolution with a new theory of Intelligent Design, realizing the complexity of life in this earth and the statistical improbablility of evolution. other scientists have shown that this world was indeed created and will eventually end (steven hawkin, "a brief history of time")



i get tired of people telling me they dont seek a relationship with God because they hate religion or hate christian people or dont understand the precepts of faith or doubt God's existance. the fact is, if you have questions, you should look for answer's instead of making up excuses, that or just admit the facts that you dont care and dont want God in your life.



"Thomas said to Him, 'Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?' Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" - John 14:5-6



"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." - Matthew 7:7



"Jesus Christ was either a crazy lunitic or what He said he was, the Son of God. Call Him either one, but do not say he was a great man or a prophet or a good teacher. What he said could only be the statements of a idiot or the Savior of Mankind, nothing in between." - CS Lewis