SilverSeven

[quote name='Eric Happy Meal' date='Apr 28 2005, 07:18 PM']if im not mistaken they still had an emporer, and the leader wsant elected by the people.


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Sparta was ruled by a body of elders called Gerousia, two kings and 28 members who were elected for life by the apella, a group of the elite ruling class. Technically a democracy since the kings were barely more than figureheads.



Athens was ruled by two groups, the assembly (elected men), and the council (men chosen by lottery).



Neither were what we know as a democracy today, but since democracy simply means "rule by the people", it's open to interpretation. So both of these are democracies (just barely), and they waged war with each other for quite a long time.

Pyrrian

England had parliament which was the elected government. That's representative enough for me to call it a democracy. They made tax laws and dealt with common law and crap. Plus the king had given up most of his powers by the Amercian Revolution, and I think that the prime minister was around by this time.

G2G

Hitler was elected Prime Minister, and everyone loved him, so that's good enough to call him a democratic leader. And then he took over everything and had a dictatorship, but everyone loved him, so it was a democracy. Same thing with current day China.



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teknics

[quote name='defprun' date='Apr 28 2005, 10:56 PM']we did the calculations even based on population ratio and even then your murder rate was waaaay ******* higher. It was almost 2000 if your country was brought down to about 30 million people



still in conparison with a murder rate of 160 a year.



japan has 38.


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japan has 38 reported, dont they kill their daughters, or is that china?



kevin.

1988RedT2

[quote name='defprun' date='Apr 28 2005, 11:57 PM']NRA doesnt help. They glorify owning a gun.


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Glorify? The media/motion picture industry glorify it. The video gaming industry glorifies it.



The NRA does not "glorify" gun ownership. The NRA advocates the responsible use of firearms by adults. The NRA is strongly in favor of stiffer penalties for crimes committed with a firearm.



If you want to blame someone for the culture of violence in this country, blame the liberal politicians who would rather villify the gun instead of the criminal. Blame the liberal judges who grant lenient sentences and parole to violent criminals. Blame the liberal liberals who would embrace a convicted murderer and attribute the crime to the gun. Do we see a pattern here...?

PhoenixDownVII

Just posting in this thread because my opinions stir up GenD.



LOL

G2G

The feminazi organization on campus, had a meeting last week, in which they decided to promote small fire arm ownership by female college students. The NRA was involved and agreed this was a good idea. Of course in reality land this is a stupid idea, because:

A. you must be 21 to purchase a small fire arm

B. You must be 21 to attain a concealed weapons permit, and have to go through a course

C. You are not allowed to carry any weapon on campus



So for female college students who are 21, have gone through the course and recieved their concealed weapons permit, have purchased their weapon, who will not be travelling on to campus at any time, it is a good idea. Once again a retarded idea by the feminazi.



I agree with redt2, the NRA isn't the problem.



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PhoenixDownVII

My hands are a registered deadly weapon after attaining black (purple in one) belts in 3 different forms of Karate.



Should I chop them off and turn them in?

defprun

NRA is part of the problem. PART. Not ALL.

defprun

It's a way of flaunting rights into nay-sayers faces.