How long until Julian Assange is assassinated?
12-08-2010, 07:40 PM
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12-08-2010, 08:47 PM
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Oh I forgot to mention, when Obama came to town my father in law works at the base he landed at. He looks like your typical biker and he was told that only " people of a certain type would get to meet the president"
Pretty shitty if you ask me
Pretty shitty if you ask me
12-08-2010, 09:56 PM
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Only an Americentric person would say something like that. Canadians don't even mention it when Stephen Harper snubs them, they immediately look at each other and talk about the fact that China is raising their interest rates in order to strengthen their dollar so the chinese can afford rising food prices. In fact look in a canadian newspaper, there's absolutely no news regarding Canada, it's taboo to even mention the goings on in canada, it's such a slippery slope, you start reporting on canadian issues and next thing you know they'll be canadiacentric and they'll have crazy laws like ones that require that at least 35% of content on the radio is entirely canadian, that's when you know a country has become _____centric. and give it some ******* acronym like MAPL ha ha get it "MAPLE".
Tico's LOVE to talk politics, next time I'm talking to one of them I'm going to look him strait in the eye and say "That's SO Central Americentric" all you're concerned about is what's going on in central america.
12-08-2010, 10:17 PM
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"read away" really? It's small blog post, that sarcastic op-ed was all you needed to be convinced assange had caused the deaths of people all over the world with his whistleblowing?
LOL I just re-read the first few lines in that canadian article you sent me. Well actually calling it an article is a bit much, it's a guys blog EZRA LEVANT, I checked his blog, he doesn't link to the documents and has no sources. consider the source, anyone else that wants to, here's the blog that the "story" was pulled from. It's an op ed, all his appear to be, there aren't any sources for any of his "posts". http://ezralevant.com/ You don't honestly consider an article written like that as news do you?
HA HA holy **** you linked an article after calling me "Americentric" that started with that? REALLY????? He gets to roll like that cause he's canadian huh?
it's like the premise of the article is that Assange is umm well anti-AMERICAN, he's criticizing the fact that assange IS anti america almost as if I dunno it's all about how assange effects..... wait for it america, I criticized american foreign policy and I'm the Americentric???? So to criticize america is americentric and to defend it is not? Uhh, ok i guess that makes sense to you and the blog post is used to reinforce this claim? I'm confused.
What I said was in regards to the documents I read, I only commented on the documents I read as that is the only true facts available to me. I didn't discuss articles that I had read bending the information as fact. I stated from the get go, that of the articles I had read, none of them had put anyone in danger, that's a fact you cannot dispute. Since I read english, most of the documents I read were in regards to US dimplomacy, again since that was all I read, that was the only thing I commented on.
There's really only two things for you to disagree with me on as these are the only two items I brought up 1) what i read did expose people to risk (it did not and you can't prove otherwise as you weren't standing over my shoulder reading with me) or 2) From what I have read so far I don't think he should be declared a terrorist by the us gov and hunted as such. Those are the only two statements I made regarding the topic at hand, I didn't claim to have read it all, I clearly said based on what I have read of the documents.
Apparently because I don't think the guy should be declared a terrorist and hunted as such I'm an Americentrist. However, if I had any understanding of how the non western world would treat the exposed people, I would want the us gov't to declare him a terrorist and hunt him at all cost. let's see how has that worked out in the past? Oh yea quite well, other nations are down right giddy when we show up to hunt people we've deemed a threat on their soil. Yea I'm the one with little understanding of the rest of the world lol Actually it would appear that very little evidence is needed, he's a potential threat, a couple people have said so, let's get him end of story. What's familiar about that?
admittedly it's the first time I've had someone claim to be a libertarian in one breathe and in the very next applaud using the expanded powers of the gov't, which is exactly what declaring him a terrorist does, give the us gov't carte blanche to invade and chase anyone labeled as such.
LOL I just re-read the first few lines in that canadian article you sent me. Well actually calling it an article is a bit much, it's a guys blog EZRA LEVANT, I checked his blog, he doesn't link to the documents and has no sources. consider the source, anyone else that wants to, here's the blog that the "story" was pulled from. It's an op ed, all his appear to be, there aren't any sources for any of his "posts". http://ezralevant.com/ You don't honestly consider an article written like that as news do you?
Wikileaks' original mandate was to expose repressive countries such as China, Russia and Iran. But Assange vetoed that. He's all about being anti-American.
HA HA holy **** you linked an article after calling me "Americentric" that started with that? REALLY????? He gets to roll like that cause he's canadian huh?
it's like the premise of the article is that Assange is umm well anti-AMERICAN, he's criticizing the fact that assange IS anti america almost as if I dunno it's all about how assange effects..... wait for it america, I criticized american foreign policy and I'm the Americentric???? So to criticize america is americentric and to defend it is not? Uhh, ok i guess that makes sense to you and the blog post is used to reinforce this claim? I'm confused.
What I said was in regards to the documents I read, I only commented on the documents I read as that is the only true facts available to me. I didn't discuss articles that I had read bending the information as fact. I stated from the get go, that of the articles I had read, none of them had put anyone in danger, that's a fact you cannot dispute. Since I read english, most of the documents I read were in regards to US dimplomacy, again since that was all I read, that was the only thing I commented on.
There's really only two things for you to disagree with me on as these are the only two items I brought up 1) what i read did expose people to risk (it did not and you can't prove otherwise as you weren't standing over my shoulder reading with me) or 2) From what I have read so far I don't think he should be declared a terrorist by the us gov and hunted as such. Those are the only two statements I made regarding the topic at hand, I didn't claim to have read it all, I clearly said based on what I have read of the documents.
Apparently because I don't think the guy should be declared a terrorist and hunted as such I'm an Americentrist. However, if I had any understanding of how the non western world would treat the exposed people, I would want the us gov't to declare him a terrorist and hunt him at all cost. let's see how has that worked out in the past? Oh yea quite well, other nations are down right giddy when we show up to hunt people we've deemed a threat on their soil. Yea I'm the one with little understanding of the rest of the world lol Actually it would appear that very little evidence is needed, he's a potential threat, a couple people have said so, let's get him end of story. What's familiar about that?
admittedly it's the first time I've had someone claim to be a libertarian in one breathe and in the very next applaud using the expanded powers of the gov't, which is exactly what declaring him a terrorist does, give the us gov't carte blanche to invade and chase anyone labeled as such.
12-08-2010, 10:49 PM
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That's the beauty of the Americentric label, there's no way to refute it. You hold an american passport, therefor you are automatically americentric. Even if you quoted a canadian word for word, because you are american you cannot refute your americentrism. It's just like a neo con saying you aren't a patriot, as soon as you disagree with anything they present to you as fact, you are no longer a patriot. It cannot be refuted, it is therefor you are. However if you are a conservative canadian activist (self proclaimed I presume) then you can talk about how things effect america all day long and not be americentric, it is impossible to be americentric if you aren't american and it is impossible not to be americentric if you are.
Personally I don't know about Assange, I have some reserves about the guys character and motives. Will there be some collateral damage from his actions yes, but it IS the truth, it isn't lies, thats reality.
Time will tell, but things aren't as black and white as the neo cons and lieberman seem to think they are. Our antics abroad over the past 40 years has resulted in reprocusions, proven ones, ignoring them, acting like they don't exist solves nothing and more people will die, more americans will die from this "blowback".
12-09-2010, 07:50 AM
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Its funny how you define it and dont see the irony.. Look at your first responses on the issue, its all about us and we in America and how are government is screwing us, none of you gave a rats *** about Wikileaks until it gave you some political fodder to use in your context within your own political world.. Now he has outed that gee wow, the US government is manipulative, its become a libertarian soap box.. Gimme a break..
If his message changed to show your side of the coin, you'd be all over him as well...
Like I said first, I am torn over it internally. I like a transparent government, but I also do see the need for state secrets, and private matter of fact conversations.. You can't be all nice and politically correct all the time, you have to be able to call a spade a spade sometimes...And every government does really have its own interests at heart, big surprise..
As Canadian I am supposed to be insulted that the CIA thinks Canadians are soft touches, the left here is all up in arms about that, and Ezra Levant is right, its a big deal here with the Canadian left and Assange is the hero because its a nice way to demonize America as an ENTIRE whole entity, thats whats anti american about it. You criticize American foriegn policy because you hate your government and some of the establishment, not your country.. There is a pretty big difference there..
Ezra Levant is probably the biggest free speech activist this side of the 49th so it pretty comical for you to question his articles..lol
But its an ugly fact that there are things needed be done in societies that the public has no appetite for..
If his message changed to show your side of the coin, you'd be all over him as well...
Like I said first, I am torn over it internally. I like a transparent government, but I also do see the need for state secrets, and private matter of fact conversations.. You can't be all nice and politically correct all the time, you have to be able to call a spade a spade sometimes...And every government does really have its own interests at heart, big surprise..
As Canadian I am supposed to be insulted that the CIA thinks Canadians are soft touches, the left here is all up in arms about that, and Ezra Levant is right, its a big deal here with the Canadian left and Assange is the hero because its a nice way to demonize America as an ENTIRE whole entity, thats whats anti american about it. You criticize American foriegn policy because you hate your government and some of the establishment, not your country.. There is a pretty big difference there..
Ezra Levant is probably the biggest free speech activist this side of the 49th so it pretty comical for you to question his articles..lol
But its an ugly fact that there are things needed be done in societies that the public has no appetite for..