How long until Julian Assange is assassinated?
12-07-2010, 05:51 PM
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It's not only people turning a blind eye, my generation has been zombified by the mass media and liberalizing college campuses. They follow whatever is popular wholeheartedly without ever being able to explain why.
12-07-2010, 10:18 PM
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I`m kind of torn on this .... One hand the Libertian side of me thinks its great that governmental discussions and motives are exposed.. But on the other hand, releasing raw material from intergovernmental agencies, could get people killed who are just doing their jobs, ie`: exposing people working on certain files, like weapon systems and what not..
12-07-2010, 10:40 PM
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i've read through a great deal of the documents and seen nothing that would put anyone's "life at risk" the only place I have heard that from is the feds themselves in an effort to label assange as a terrorist.
What I have learned is what most americans should already know. Our diplomatic policy and foreign relations is absolutely deplorable and our gov't is and should be held responsible for the "blowback" we as a nation have suffered through due to their horrible international hijinks.
These are the very consequences and blowback that Ron Paul and Chalmers Johnson have spoken at length about. There are consequences for our actions abroad, we've just never recognized them as such.
Most of the people I hear discussing the issue haven't done much reading, they've let the media spoon feed them the version that fits what they want to hear.
What I have learned is what most americans should already know. Our diplomatic policy and foreign relations is absolutely deplorable and our gov't is and should be held responsible for the "blowback" we as a nation have suffered through due to their horrible international hijinks.
These are the very consequences and blowback that Ron Paul and Chalmers Johnson have spoken at length about. There are consequences for our actions abroad, we've just never recognized them as such.
Most of the people I hear discussing the issue haven't done much reading, they've let the media spoon feed them the version that fits what they want to hear.
12-08-2010, 11:40 AM
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and Maxt, from the speech I posted
LOL, JFK saw the Patriot Act coming 50 years ago.
Paypal said today that they were threatened by the feds if they didn't cut off the wikipedia paypal account. One can pretty much draw the conclusion from that, that Amazon, Easy DNS and others who were forced to stop dealing with wikileaks were also threatened.
The key is that it's not the information that wikileaks has released or the info that the feds already know he has, it's the info that they don't know about that scares the living **** out of them. They are guilty of crimes, so they all have something to worry about when an event like this takes place.
Back to your permanent slumber Americans, move along nothing to see here.
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.
And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment.
Paypal said today that they were threatened by the feds if they didn't cut off the wikipedia paypal account. One can pretty much draw the conclusion from that, that Amazon, Easy DNS and others who were forced to stop dealing with wikileaks were also threatened.
The key is that it's not the information that wikileaks has released or the info that the feds already know he has, it's the info that they don't know about that scares the living **** out of them. They are guilty of crimes, so they all have something to worry about when an event like this takes place.
Back to your permanent slumber Americans, move along nothing to see here.
12-08-2010, 06:22 PM
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The problem is like all Americans, you are only looking at it with an American perspective, and only the damage done in America.. Not all governments abide by the same laws as the west, and Wikileaks has leaked info that has put people in other countries at risk. Its only a matter of time till something is leaked that put perhaps masses at risk. This particular leak was Americentric, but other ones haven't been. While the US like you say has done wrong with foreign policy, and as a Canadian I have seen misguided US foreign policy, I do think there has to be some secrecy within when it comes to internal operations. America is protectionist, wow big news..
12-08-2010, 07:21 PM
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LOL I don't have a world perspective, really?
OK Maxt show me the documents that put foreign nationals at risk. I assume you wouldn't make these claims without some knowledge about it, would you? Give me the links, the documents are public, which ones specifically put foreign nationals and nations at risk,? You have worldcentric view and have obviously read through a great deal of the documents that I haven't, so I'd like to see some of these documents posted up here so you can open my mind.
Typical canadian perspective, you assume because your passport is canadian and mine is american that you have a better grasp or world politics than I. Americans know nothing outside the confines of the US, if you honestly think that about me then fine, but you are incorrect.
As I stated, I read through a great deal of the documents, naturally I only read the ones in English, I'm working on my Norwegian, but there weren't any in Norwegian anyhow.
Again, i'm fairly confused how me discussing the country in which I hold citizenship's foreign policy is lacking in world perspective, it would seem to me that someone who lacked world perspective wouldn't give two ***** about their nations foreign policy, most americans don't even know we have a foreign policy.
OK Maxt show me the documents that put foreign nationals at risk. I assume you wouldn't make these claims without some knowledge about it, would you? Give me the links, the documents are public, which ones specifically put foreign nationals and nations at risk,? You have worldcentric view and have obviously read through a great deal of the documents that I haven't, so I'd like to see some of these documents posted up here so you can open my mind.
Typical canadian perspective, you assume because your passport is canadian and mine is american that you have a better grasp or world politics than I. Americans know nothing outside the confines of the US, if you honestly think that about me then fine, but you are incorrect.
As I stated, I read through a great deal of the documents, naturally I only read the ones in English, I'm working on my Norwegian, but there weren't any in Norwegian anyhow.
Again, i'm fairly confused how me discussing the country in which I hold citizenship's foreign policy is lacking in world perspective, it would seem to me that someone who lacked world perspective wouldn't give two ***** about their nations foreign policy, most americans don't even know we have a foreign policy.