Ford And Mazda
11-29-2003, 11:32 PM
#31
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Think what you like, but the F-150, Explorer and Taurus 'saved' Ford.
I worked at a Ford foundry for 8 months during school. Once there were a pile of Taurus SHO V-8's piled behind the building. I found it quite amusing that the crates all said "Made in the USA" on them, since the block and heads were cast in Canada, machined and assembled in Japan before being shipped to the US to be put in the cars.
Our boss didn't find it quite so amusing when we corrected all the crates, though!
It's too bad they canned that engine. If they'd put proper cams in it, you could probably make a lot of power with it. The block weighed nearly twice what a 4.6L Cobra block weighed.
I worked at a Ford foundry for 8 months during school. Once there were a pile of Taurus SHO V-8's piled behind the building. I found it quite amusing that the crates all said "Made in the USA" on them, since the block and heads were cast in Canada, machined and assembled in Japan before being shipped to the US to be put in the cars.
Our boss didn't find it quite so amusing when we corrected all the crates, though!
It's too bad they canned that engine. If they'd put proper cams in it, you could probably make a lot of power with it. The block weighed nearly twice what a 4.6L Cobra block weighed.
11-30-2003, 12:46 AM
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Pretty sure the original V-6 in the Explorer was the 4 litre pushrod, same as the Aerostar and Ranger. I don't know if Mazda used that in the B-series way back then or not.
I don't think so, as I just checked the AutoTrader. The Explorer started in 1991 with the 4L V-6. If you look, you'll see the Mazda B-series didn't start to look like the Ranger until 1994. All it had before that was an I-4.
I'm pretty sure Ford made the 3L and 4L V-6 for use in the 1987 Aerostar first.
I don't think so, as I just checked the AutoTrader. The Explorer started in 1991 with the 4L V-6. If you look, you'll see the Mazda B-series didn't start to look like the Ranger until 1994. All it had before that was an I-4.
I'm pretty sure Ford made the 3L and 4L V-6 for use in the 1987 Aerostar first.
11-30-2003, 01:19 AM
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Last year I was told Ford owned General Motors, I didn't really believe it at the time, then I was pointed out to a law suit. The web site www.fuckgeneralmotors.com was being sued by Ford. The owner of the "subdivision", "General Motors" as stated on paper.
No clue if it was a big hoax, but the site was taken down shortly after.
I've also been told that there is only three major car manufactures in the world that produce all the ecocars.
This also makes a lot of sense, due to it being true in the real world.
i.e. Coke owns its competition Pepsi, and the list goes on.
The world is controlled by only a handful of conglomerates.
No clue if it was a big hoax, but the site was taken down shortly after.
I've also been told that there is only three major car manufactures in the world that produce all the ecocars.
This also makes a lot of sense, due to it being true in the real world.
i.e. Coke owns its competition Pepsi, and the list goes on.
The world is controlled by only a handful of conglomerates.
11-30-2003, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by walken' date='Nov 30 2003, 02:19 AM
Last year I was told Ford owned General Motors, I didn't really believe it at the time, then I was pointed out to a law suit. The web site www.fuckgeneralmotors.com was being sued by Ford. The owner of the "subdivision", "General Motors" as stated on paper.
No clue if it was a big hoax, but the site was taken down shortly after.
I've also been told that there is only three major car manufactures in the world that produce all the ecocars.
This also makes a lot of sense, due to it being true in the real world.
i.e. Coke owns its competition Pepsi, and the list goes on.
The world is controlled by only a handful of conglomerates.
No clue if it was a big hoax, but the site was taken down shortly after.
I've also been told that there is only three major car manufactures in the world that produce all the ecocars.
This also makes a lot of sense, due to it being true in the real world.
i.e. Coke owns its competition Pepsi, and the list goes on.
The world is controlled by only a handful of conglomerates.
Exactly how many times have you watched "Conspiracy Theory"?
Pepsi is actually far larger than Coke, as they own several restaurant chains and snack food heavyweights.
General Motors is larger than Ford. I don't think Ford builds many tanks or locomotives. Their Ford Credit department keeps them close in overall revenue.
11-30-2003, 07:19 AM
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Mazda to Boost Cooperation with Ford
On a side note, Hydrogen RE
"We continue to learn and increase synergies with Ford," through development of engines as well as small and midsize cars, one successful example of which was the launch of the Axcela midsize passenger car, said Gideon Wolthers, Mazda's senior managing executive officer and chief financial officer.
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Wolthers said Mazda, owned 33.4% by Ford, plans to commercialize its RX-8 Hydrogen RE, a rotary engine car featuring a dual-fuel system that runs on hydrogen and gasoline, in the near future on condition that the firm sees "sufficient infrastructure" for the car to operate.
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Wolthers said Mazda, owned 33.4% by Ford, plans to commercialize its RX-8 Hydrogen RE, a rotary engine car featuring a dual-fuel system that runs on hydrogen and gasoline, in the near future on condition that the firm sees "sufficient infrastructure" for the car to operate.
On a side note, Hydrogen RE
11-30-2003, 09:36 AM
#37
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You guys make this way too hard.
http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm
or
http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/brand...m?referrer=home
When you click on this link, all of Ford's brands are shown. Mazda is shown, because as was said before,...Ford effectively owns a good portion of Mazda.
GM brands
http://www.gm.com/flash_homepage/
Toyota has a partnership w/ GM, in that they swap and share technology, in an effort to gain as a whole.
Interesting enough, China is currently deemed to be the most desireable country to market US goods at the moment. In fact, this week,...Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is expected to have talks w/ the US. The topic of discussion: trade wars. The current problem is that the US is imposing trade sanctions/restrictions on China. One reason, is because China has limited the importation of US goods. The less China imports from the US,...means less productivity in the US, which means more unemployment in the US,...which means poor economy. So generally speaking,...the US is trying to ensure that their economy stays afloat.
Back to the potential of the whole Chinese market. Currently, US companies are salivating at the potential market that China represents. A lot of US companies are trying to get their piece of the pie. From Frito-Lay potato chip company to Ford.
Ford would LOVE to sell more cars in China. Currently, Ford has been approved and have been recently producing cars in China. So,...you are seeing an American car company producing cars in China. (Made in China now...haha). Anyways, Toyota and VW have already been producing cars in China. Ford is hoping to release new models more frequently, as well as providing customer service and relative good pricing to lure in more Chinese customers. Interesting strategy.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories...10/daily45.html
Interestingly enough, it seems that Ford will be concentrating on shipping out SUVs. As we all know, SUVs provide the most profit margin for automanufacturers.
I read an article this week, that said that Ford was having some financial problems (maybe it was the Ford Europe or it may have been Ford USA, not sure), but upon hearing about it,...I instantly thought of the affect it could have on Mazda. Mazda has done amazingly well. Strong sales. Excellent product line that "excite" customers. But despite the profitibility,...Mazda is still partially owned by Ford. Will be interesting to see how this may affect further development of the rotary/RX-8/RX-7...
http://www.ford.com/en/default.htm
or
http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/brand...m?referrer=home
When you click on this link, all of Ford's brands are shown. Mazda is shown, because as was said before,...Ford effectively owns a good portion of Mazda.
GM brands
http://www.gm.com/flash_homepage/
Toyota has a partnership w/ GM, in that they swap and share technology, in an effort to gain as a whole.
Interesting enough, China is currently deemed to be the most desireable country to market US goods at the moment. In fact, this week,...Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao is expected to have talks w/ the US. The topic of discussion: trade wars. The current problem is that the US is imposing trade sanctions/restrictions on China. One reason, is because China has limited the importation of US goods. The less China imports from the US,...means less productivity in the US, which means more unemployment in the US,...which means poor economy. So generally speaking,...the US is trying to ensure that their economy stays afloat.
Back to the potential of the whole Chinese market. Currently, US companies are salivating at the potential market that China represents. A lot of US companies are trying to get their piece of the pie. From Frito-Lay potato chip company to Ford.
Ford would LOVE to sell more cars in China. Currently, Ford has been approved and have been recently producing cars in China. So,...you are seeing an American car company producing cars in China. (Made in China now...haha). Anyways, Toyota and VW have already been producing cars in China. Ford is hoping to release new models more frequently, as well as providing customer service and relative good pricing to lure in more Chinese customers. Interesting strategy.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories...10/daily45.html
Interestingly enough, it seems that Ford will be concentrating on shipping out SUVs. As we all know, SUVs provide the most profit margin for automanufacturers.
I read an article this week, that said that Ford was having some financial problems (maybe it was the Ford Europe or it may have been Ford USA, not sure), but upon hearing about it,...I instantly thought of the affect it could have on Mazda. Mazda has done amazingly well. Strong sales. Excellent product line that "excite" customers. But despite the profitibility,...Mazda is still partially owned by Ford. Will be interesting to see how this may affect further development of the rotary/RX-8/RX-7...
12-01-2003, 12:28 AM
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ford realized that you can make money by paying other people to design and build lots of parts. then you put them together and sell it as your part, and make lots of money...
until the suppliers stop caring about product quality since they dont sell to the public directly, and your car fails. enter ford exploder and every other cheap, crappy car they have made from '70's - '00. up until now, the only thing ford really makes for thier vehicles is the engine.
because of the bad rep they have obtained, they are bringing things back in house (like brake systems, interiors, drivetrains, tires and wheels, etc). that's what the new f150 and GT are supposed to be about: ford returning to it's roots.
ford sponsors our Formula SAE team, and the VP for some part of the company came and talked to us about Ford at our last SAE meeting here at Texas A&M.
until the suppliers stop caring about product quality since they dont sell to the public directly, and your car fails. enter ford exploder and every other cheap, crappy car they have made from '70's - '00. up until now, the only thing ford really makes for thier vehicles is the engine.
because of the bad rep they have obtained, they are bringing things back in house (like brake systems, interiors, drivetrains, tires and wheels, etc). that's what the new f150 and GT are supposed to be about: ford returning to it's roots.
ford sponsors our Formula SAE team, and the VP for some part of the company came and talked to us about Ford at our last SAE meeting here at Texas A&M.
12-01-2003, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TYSON' date='Nov 29 2003, 09:32 PM
Think what you like, but the F-150, Explorer and Taurus 'saved' Ford.
I worked at a Ford foundry for 8 months during school. Once there were a pile of Taurus SHO V-8's piled behind the building. I found it quite amusing that the crates all said "Made in the USA" on them, since the block and heads were cast in Canada, machined and assembled in Japan before being shipped to the US to be put in the cars.
Our boss didn't find it quite so amusing when we corrected all the crates, though!
It's too bad they canned that engine. If they'd put proper cams in it, you could probably make a lot of power with it. The block weighed nearly twice what a 4.6L Cobra block weighed.
I worked at a Ford foundry for 8 months during school. Once there were a pile of Taurus SHO V-8's piled behind the building. I found it quite amusing that the crates all said "Made in the USA" on them, since the block and heads were cast in Canada, machined and assembled in Japan before being shipped to the US to be put in the cars.
Our boss didn't find it quite so amusing when we corrected all the crates, though!
It's too bad they canned that engine. If they'd put proper cams in it, you could probably make a lot of power with it. The block weighed nearly twice what a 4.6L Cobra block weighed.
mike