co-worker kills z06
10-17-2005, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='770176' date='Oct 17 2005, 06:54 PM
thats the state of affairs today, you hire people who want to learn and want to be given a chance to prove themselves, you give them a simple task like coolant and oil, I mean it doesnt get much simpler then that. Then he messes up.
like youve never fucked up before
10-17-2005, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ColinRX7' post='770210' date='Oct 17 2005, 07:44 PM
like youve never fucked up before
Yeah no ****, most places would have this "apprentice" work with a "journyman", and he would inspect all work prior to start up.
10-18-2005, 06:08 AM
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I talk from first hand frustration because I work with people like this everyday.
you guys ever stop to think that since they gave him the simple task that im sure they trained him on it already, I mean its not rocket science. Maybe this guy worked there for a while. How long can you carry someone before they have to start producing work on thier own?
You know how much it takes to employ a person these days? Thier wages, workers comp, ss, uniforms, etc...
In my shop I have to get at least $42 a hour to cover expenses on some of the lower paid employess. So now I put a guy making top pay along side someone training, how long do I have to carry the guy before he starts pulling his weight?
Im sure the guy didnt start yesturday and they handed him that job, he has probably been there for a while and cant do much more then a basic oil change and coolant flush, they probably should have **** canned him a while ago.
10-18-2005, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='770333' date='Oct 18 2005, 03:08 AM
no, I have never fucked up to the tune of $20000, anything I have messed up I could fix myself.
I talk from first hand frustration because I work with people like this everyday.
you guys ever stop to think that since they gave him the simple task that im sure they trained him on it already, I mean its not rocket science. Maybe this guy worked there for a while. How long can you carry someone before they have to start producing work on thier own?
You know how much it takes to employ a person these days? Thier wages, workers comp, ss, uniforms, etc...
In my shop I have to get at least $42 a hour to cover expenses on some of the lower paid employess. So now I put a guy making top pay along side someone training, how long do I have to carry the guy before he starts pulling his weight?
Im sure the guy didnt start yesturday and they handed him that job, he has probably been there for a while and cant do much more then a basic oil change and coolant flush, they probably should have **** canned him a while ago.
Preach on brotha
10-18-2005, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7' post='770333' date='Oct 18 2005, 07:08 AM
I talk from first hand frustration because I work with people like this everyday.
you guys ever stop to think that since they gave him the simple task that im sure they trained him on it already, I mean its not rocket science. Maybe this guy worked there for a while. How long can you carry someone before they have to start producing work on thier own?
Fair enough I've never lived that side of the story, I am an apprentice though
Yeah it's a costly mistake and it shouldn't have happened, and he was fired, end of story, he has to live with that weight on his shoulders for the rest of his life, and probably will be hard pressed to find another job in a shop considering he ruined a damn vette engine
I don't think it's justified to say you hope his ego is wrecked, because anybody who's referred to as "the kid" is young and eager enough to jump a few too steps ahead of himself being so excited to work on a corvette, and **** it up because of it
guaranteed his ego is fucked, do you really think someone just learning is cocky enough to think they've done everything right and never had any problems? Like thinking "I know I put oil in" but didn't? He's thinking "thisisawesomethisisawesomethisisawesome" because he's a kid, not a guy who has been in the trade for years.
Not asking you specifically I'm just trying to clarify, you know what I'm talking about? Guaranteed that kid (for lack of a better way to put it) has his tail between his legs when it comes to even touching a wrench again, even though he might have been a good worker.. I don't think it's justified to wish the feeling of complete failure on the kid, guaranteed he feels it, it probably happened because he was too ansy/eager to be working on it in the first place
You ever jumped ahead of yourself? I have..
Anybody ansy or eager to get work done is a GOOD worker and worth your investment, but people like that can jump too far ahead of themselves, that's when mistakes happen
It's a damn shame this time he jumped ahead of putting oil in it, that is, yes, incompetent, but it stems from being eager to work on something
Just trying to say it doesn't seem to me he's a total slack *** kid and deserves it because he's a slacker and doesn't check anything over, he just got too ansy... $20,000 to ansy.. and it cost him his job
that's just how I percieve it
10-18-2005, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ColinRX7' post='770362' date='Oct 18 2005, 10:19 AM
Fair enough I've never lived that side of the story, I am an apprentice though
Yeah it's a costly mistake and it shouldn't have happened, and he was fired, end of story, he has to live with that weight on his shoulders for the rest of his life, and probably will be hard pressed to find another job in a shop considering he ruined a damn vette engine
I don't think it's justified to say you hope his ego is wrecked, because anybody who's referred to as "the kid" is young and eager enough to jump a few too steps ahead of himself being so excited to work on a corvette, and **** it up because of it
guaranteed his ego is fucked, do you really think someone just learning is cocky enough to think they've done everything right and never had any problems? Like thinking "I know I put oil in" but didn't? He's thinking "thisisawesomethisisawesomethisisawesome" because he's a kid, not a guy who has been in the trade for years.
Just trying to say it doesn't seem to me he's a total slack *** kid and deserves it because he's a slacker and doesn't check anything over, he just got too ansy... $20,000 to ansy.. and it cost him his job
that's just how I percieve it
I agree.
Someone should have checked up on him, especially on a high dollar car like a Z06. No need to hold his hand while he turned the wrenches, but if someone experienced was checking on em they would have heard the engine ticking as soon as he started it up, and saved the shop 20k in the meanwhile.
10-18-2005, 10:35 AM
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So, what happened to the lights & buzzers to warn this kid that something bad is about to happen?
My wife is a "turn the key & go" driver.
BUT- She knows to stop driving & call me if the big red "OIL" light comes on.
My wife is a "turn the key & go" driver.
BUT- She knows to stop driving & call me if the big red "OIL" light comes on.