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Originally Posted by Turbo II' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:41 PM
[quote name='89 Rag' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:50 PM']I wonder why they havent caught on yet, the last three years Ive paid four speeding tickets in pennies, unrolled pennies tossed in a giant sack 
AHHH **** 'EM. I aint tryin to win a popularity contest
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag' date='Aug 28 2002, 12:45 PM
[quote name='Turbo II' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:41 PM'][quote name='89 Rag' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:50 PM']I wonder why they havent caught on yet, the last three years Ive paid four speeding tickets in pennies, unrolled pennies tossed in a giant sack
AHHH **** 'EM. I aint tryin to win a popularity contest
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I personally don't think photo radar should be legal, it's horseshit and I am not real clear as to how it can hold up in court as there is no officer to right a report on his observances, were there environmental variables that could have effected the radar? Was the camera tested to be fully operational prior to the picture? etc, etc... these are all questions you could legally ask a ticketing officer in court, but are unable to ask a camera. Can you subpeona the camera and if it doesn't show in court beat the ticket? After all weren't we given the right to face our accuser in the constitution that court is obliged to uphold?
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Originally Posted by phinsup' date='Aug 28 2002, 02:07 PM
I personally don't think photo radar should be legal, it's horseshit and I am not real clear as to how it can hold up in court as there is no officer to right a report on his observances, were there environmental variables that could have effected the radar? Was the camera tested to be fully operational prior to the picture? etc, etc... these are all questions you could legally ask a ticketing officer in court, but are unable to ask a camera. Can you subpeona the camera and if it doesn't show in court beat the ticket? After all weren't we given the right to face our accuser in the constitution that court is obliged to uphold?
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Originally Posted by phinsup' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:07 PM
I personally don't think photo radar should be legal, it's horseshit and I am not real clear as to how it can hold up in court as there is no officer to right a report on his observances, were there environmental variables that could have effected the radar? Was the camera tested to be fully operational prior to the picture? etc, etc... these are all questions you could legally ask a ticketing officer in court, but are unable to ask a camera. Can you subpeona the camera and if it doesn't show in court beat the ticket? After all weren't we given the right to face our accuser in the constitution that court is obliged to uphold?
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Originally Posted by phinsup' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:07 PM
I personally don't think photo radar should be legal, it's horseshit and I am not real clear as to how it can hold up in court as there is no officer to right a report on his observances, were there environmental variables that could have effected the radar? Was the camera tested to be fully operational prior to the picture? etc, etc... these are all questions you could legally ask a ticketing officer in court, but are unable to ask a camera. Can you subpeona the camera and if it doesn't show in court beat the ticket? After all weren't we given the right to face our accuser in the constitution that court is obliged to uphold?
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Originally Posted by 13BAce' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:42 PM
[quote name='phinsup' date='Aug 28 2002, 01:07 PM']I personally don't think photo radar should be legal, it's horseshit and I am not real clear as to how it can hold up in court as there is no officer to right a report on his observances, were there environmental variables that could have effected the radar? Was the camera tested to be fully operational prior to the picture? etc, etc... these are all questions you could legally ask a ticketing officer in court, but are unable to ask a camera. Can you subpeona the camera and if it doesn't show in court beat the ticket? After all weren't we given the right to face our accuser in the constitution that court is obliged to uphold?
thats what ivan always says, next to insurance.
actually if you think about it the government is just a big protection racket
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well phins no offense but i have to say yer full o ****. Why shouldn't it be legal? I mean it takes pictures... so let's say... you catch some dude raping your wife and you take a picture of him doing or something to that effect. Should your picture not be allowed in court? was the camera fully tested prior to use? I don't think so and neither do you. If the camera wasn't operational then it woudlnt' have takin a picture of your *** breakin the law now would it and if you really wanted to make any other points you could, but the odds are you were probably speeding.
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Like said you are allowed to question the operational functionality of a radar gun when a cop shitts you with it in court, do you have that option with photo?
Secondly comparing rape to a traffic violation is one hell of a stretch, if a security camera catches you in the act of a crime you are actually commiting then you are seen shooting, raping whatever. With the case of photo radar you are relying on two machines... one to accurately capture your radar and time it to the photo image and two the camera... how can you prove beyond a shadow of doubt that both were 100% functional.
Secondly, back to your "example" you catch someone raping someone on camera... they will still get to face their accuser... someone will have to come to court and testify as to the validity of the tape, and the defense will be allowed to challenge that validity with their expert witness. are you allowed to that with your photoradar?
Secondly comparing rape to a traffic violation is one hell of a stretch, if a security camera catches you in the act of a crime you are actually commiting then you are seen shooting, raping whatever. With the case of photo radar you are relying on two machines... one to accurately capture your radar and time it to the photo image and two the camera... how can you prove beyond a shadow of doubt that both were 100% functional.
Secondly, back to your "example" you catch someone raping someone on camera... they will still get to face their accuser... someone will have to come to court and testify as to the validity of the tape, and the defense will be allowed to challenge that validity with their expert witness. are you allowed to that with your photoradar?
