Another American Beheaded
06-19-2004, 12:24 AM
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Canada is a nation of peacekeepers, always has been. No matter how good the reason is, you guys did START the war in Iraq wether you think it was just or unjust.
As a nation who provokes peace and NOT starting wars, we are sorry that we might think a little or postpone sending our peacekeeping troops into the war. Same goes with the other countries who decided to stay out, promoting peace by not starting wars in the first place shows YOU are the bigger man. But alas, the other countries are not renown around the world for peacekeeping so they may have other reasons for not being in the war...and thus the american media gospels about how the french or the germans are pussies for not 'gung ho-ing' their way into full-on military invasion of a country.
And surprise surprise, after this 'gung-ho' act in a country that poses absolutely no threat to western society...troops are in high demand, ressources are spread thin and now your country is in debt. Other countries might have taken that into account, deciding to take the time and just attempt to negotiate sure it may take a while, but so does recovering from a national debt. And the latter does not take human life.
In the end, introducing democracy in a broken land may make Iraq a better place! Or just another part of the new american empire? Free yes, free to not eat at Mc Donalds? No. Because this is what it has become, for now of course, this is not long term stay by the americans, but there is no doubt that american culture will have a severe impact on the enhabitants of Iraq. Like that tank that run over a gang of looter's taxi. Im sure that man will remember his livelihood being taken away, and it wasnt from Iraqi soldiers.
As a nation who provokes peace and NOT starting wars, we are sorry that we might think a little or postpone sending our peacekeeping troops into the war. Same goes with the other countries who decided to stay out, promoting peace by not starting wars in the first place shows YOU are the bigger man. But alas, the other countries are not renown around the world for peacekeeping so they may have other reasons for not being in the war...and thus the american media gospels about how the french or the germans are pussies for not 'gung ho-ing' their way into full-on military invasion of a country.
And surprise surprise, after this 'gung-ho' act in a country that poses absolutely no threat to western society...troops are in high demand, ressources are spread thin and now your country is in debt. Other countries might have taken that into account, deciding to take the time and just attempt to negotiate sure it may take a while, but so does recovering from a national debt. And the latter does not take human life.
In the end, introducing democracy in a broken land may make Iraq a better place! Or just another part of the new american empire? Free yes, free to not eat at Mc Donalds? No. Because this is what it has become, for now of course, this is not long term stay by the americans, but there is no doubt that american culture will have a severe impact on the enhabitants of Iraq. Like that tank that run over a gang of looter's taxi. Im sure that man will remember his livelihood being taken away, and it wasnt from Iraqi soldiers.
06-19-2004, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FDRacing' date='Jun 19 2004, 01:23 AM
lets adress the real issue, canadians are afraid of war.
06-19-2004, 08:11 AM
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canada has peacekeeping troops? ok, even if you had these "peacekeeping" troops they wouldnt be able to go anywhere bc horses cant swim. also, has canada been attacked? how would you even know what weve gone through?
06-19-2004, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 1gendreemer' date='Jun 18 2004, 06:06 PM
First of all my deepest sympathies to the families of ANY soldiers who have lost their lives in this war.
Moving on:
It pisses me off that people are saying we need to pull out just because there have been some high profile killings of Americans. I didn't agree with our going over there, but I think that now that it's done, it needs to be finished and we as Americans (and those from other developed countries) need to be supportive. If we go home now, chaos ensues, and we just slapped every single person in our military in the face for letting the hardships and deaths they've had visited on them amount to nothing. I'm not sure that we should be enforcing democracy on the rest of the world, but now that it's started, we need to finish and not waver like a bunch of bitches. That's EXACTLY what the beheadings are meant to accomplish. Fear tactics from a fanatical few is ALL it is. We are stronger, we truly mean to make something good of this, and the American public should stop being such a bunch of fickle pussies and get behind this cause. I used to be a soldier and have quite a few friends in Iraq right now and EVERYONE has said that there are constantly thankful people coming up to them and stating their gratitude....it just doesn't make for good headlines so no one hears this. This time of turmoil will pass if we endure, but will continue if we falter. We're in a place where we can choose the outcome. Ask Germany and Japan if being destroyed/rebuilt by the US is a bad thing...funny how they are now two of the most prosperous countries in the world, and human rights are held in high regard in both places. Good things are worth fighting for... For lack of a better phrase, cowboy the **** up.
Moving on:
It pisses me off that people are saying we need to pull out just because there have been some high profile killings of Americans. I didn't agree with our going over there, but I think that now that it's done, it needs to be finished and we as Americans (and those from other developed countries) need to be supportive. If we go home now, chaos ensues, and we just slapped every single person in our military in the face for letting the hardships and deaths they've had visited on them amount to nothing. I'm not sure that we should be enforcing democracy on the rest of the world, but now that it's started, we need to finish and not waver like a bunch of bitches. That's EXACTLY what the beheadings are meant to accomplish. Fear tactics from a fanatical few is ALL it is. We are stronger, we truly mean to make something good of this, and the American public should stop being such a bunch of fickle pussies and get behind this cause. I used to be a soldier and have quite a few friends in Iraq right now and EVERYONE has said that there are constantly thankful people coming up to them and stating their gratitude....it just doesn't make for good headlines so no one hears this. This time of turmoil will pass if we endure, but will continue if we falter. We're in a place where we can choose the outcome. Ask Germany and Japan if being destroyed/rebuilt by the US is a bad thing...funny how they are now two of the most prosperous countries in the world, and human rights are held in high regard in both places. Good things are worth fighting for... For lack of a better phrase, cowboy the **** up.
BTW Cowboy boy up got beat by a girl.
06-19-2004, 08:38 AM
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we cant really accomplish our goals there with missiles from abroad. there is no way to go find these guys and capture or kill them unless we are there. the missiles cant go looking for people in buildings or in holes in the ground. everyone that i have talked to or heard from who is in iraq fighting says they think we should be there. i know if i were an iraqi i would want someone to come and help me do what i could not do on my own, and i would hope that they would persevere when they were faced with difficult times. its the golden rule. its sad that these civilians have been and will be killed but they know whats going on over there and the knew how it was there when they went. i do think its wrong for anyone to be putting the pics of these people on tv or wherever. my gf saw the pics online yesterday on the drudge report's website, have we no more morals than that, than to make a decapitated mans picture available to his family and friends. there is no justification for that.
06-19-2004, 09:28 AM
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Promoting world peace is our priority, instead of diving into wars. There are no reasons to start a war with another country, other than if they attack you or are an imminent threat. Personally I do not believe Iraq is or ever was a threat to the United States of America.
The war in Afghanistan to bring down the Al Quoeda was justified if in fact it was the one who was responsible for 9/11...they assumed responsibility for it, which was retarded if they werent, but they deserved being mowed down regardless of wether or not the US had really taken the time to devise a strategy to bring down the Al Quoeda...theyd just bomb the crap out of a mosque just cause there MIGHT be some Al Quoeda in there, makes for kick-*** video of gunships taking down 'the ennemy' but really doesnt solve the 9/11 dillemma.
And to awnser Shane. Tramell's question. Since we are just NORTH of the united states we tend to feel everything you feel having american citizens who live here and all. I live closer to 9/11 than some americans do, so i felt as if World War Three was upon us. So if I felt I was actually in danger from Iraq, I'd sign myself up right now to keep my family safe from being some unnamed charred remains.
But this is not world war three, the fate of the world is not at stake and I dont believe Iraq is completely justified.
The war in Afghanistan to bring down the Al Quoeda was justified if in fact it was the one who was responsible for 9/11...they assumed responsibility for it, which was retarded if they werent, but they deserved being mowed down regardless of wether or not the US had really taken the time to devise a strategy to bring down the Al Quoeda...theyd just bomb the crap out of a mosque just cause there MIGHT be some Al Quoeda in there, makes for kick-*** video of gunships taking down 'the ennemy' but really doesnt solve the 9/11 dillemma.
And to awnser Shane. Tramell's question. Since we are just NORTH of the united states we tend to feel everything you feel having american citizens who live here and all. I live closer to 9/11 than some americans do, so i felt as if World War Three was upon us. So if I felt I was actually in danger from Iraq, I'd sign myself up right now to keep my family safe from being some unnamed charred remains.
But this is not world war three, the fate of the world is not at stake and I dont believe Iraq is completely justified.
06-19-2004, 09:38 AM
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My standing on the american beheading thing, sure it ******* sickens me, i saw a video and i almost puked, thinking of the guys family and ****. But this wouldnt have even happend if there was no war in the first place. There are atrocities in war, **** happends and people die. So it really is no surprise and im not appalled by this happening. Either way both sides are guilty of atrocities such as this and should have thought of the consequences before diving into war. This is just media exploitation to try to get nations who arent at war to join in...
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