To Streeport Or Not To Streetport
#1
Hey guys got several questions regarding a New Motor i planning
on getting soon.
well i am 98% sure that my FD has a blown motor.
SO I been doing research and calling around regarding
getting a new motor and getting it Streetported.
One Shop i called (won't name names) asked what I plan
on doing with the car, so I stated that basically its gonna
be a street car and to the Drag strip here and there.
So he said for my application, that street port wasn't neccessary.
and that it is possible to make FD3S's run 11's, 12's on
non ported motor. So I am kinda on the fence on getting
a port job or not.. He said it makes a lil more high end
power, but sacrifice lower end and iddle...
So the question is.. TO STREETPORT or NOT TO streeport??
Also.. The place I called quoated me 4100 for New reman motor
and labor with NO port job, BUT 4900 for the same, and to PORT
the motor.. I thought porting was a simple job and etc. Is 800
for a port job fair?? to much? or what??? is it worth it???
Next question: When I get a new motor, make my turbos NON
Sequential??? This is so ironic.. the person I spoke with was
the biggest TOUTER of NON sequential.. But the shop he works
for is a NON Believer of non sequential...So he was like.. WELL
this and that... so it makes me wonder.. GO NON Sequential
or NOT???
TO give you guys some input on my CARs MODS..
I'll list my mods:
93 R1 with 135K Orignial miles with BLown motor and turbos
HKS intake
HKS TwinPak ignition
Greddy Pulley Kit
M2 Downpipe
SR Midpipe
HKS SuperDragger CB
APEX PFC w/commander
Removed Airpump
Vacuum Hose
MR street/track clutch
mazdaspeed shortshift
Autormeter boost gauge
Autometer A/F gauge
Fan switch mod
99spec tail lights
Racing beat wing
19" rims
and and other stuf I cant think of..
on getting soon.
well i am 98% sure that my FD has a blown motor.
SO I been doing research and calling around regarding
getting a new motor and getting it Streetported.
One Shop i called (won't name names) asked what I plan
on doing with the car, so I stated that basically its gonna
be a street car and to the Drag strip here and there.
So he said for my application, that street port wasn't neccessary.
and that it is possible to make FD3S's run 11's, 12's on
non ported motor. So I am kinda on the fence on getting
a port job or not.. He said it makes a lil more high end
power, but sacrifice lower end and iddle...
So the question is.. TO STREETPORT or NOT TO streeport??
Also.. The place I called quoated me 4100 for New reman motor
and labor with NO port job, BUT 4900 for the same, and to PORT
the motor.. I thought porting was a simple job and etc. Is 800
for a port job fair?? to much? or what??? is it worth it???
Next question: When I get a new motor, make my turbos NON
Sequential??? This is so ironic.. the person I spoke with was
the biggest TOUTER of NON sequential.. But the shop he works
for is a NON Believer of non sequential...So he was like.. WELL
this and that... so it makes me wonder.. GO NON Sequential
or NOT???
TO give you guys some input on my CARs MODS..
I'll list my mods:
93 R1 with 135K Orignial miles with BLown motor and turbos
HKS intake
HKS TwinPak ignition
Greddy Pulley Kit
M2 Downpipe
SR Midpipe
HKS SuperDragger CB
APEX PFC w/commander
Removed Airpump
Vacuum Hose
MR street/track clutch
mazdaspeed shortshift
Autormeter boost gauge
Autometer A/F gauge
Fan switch mod
99spec tail lights
Racing beat wing
19" rims
and and other stuf I cant think of..
#2
$800 seems too much for a port. Shop around, many of the guys on this forum will know the right price and people...In australia we are usually looking at AUS$400 tops for intake and exhaust porting (but much cheaper for me as I do all my own!)
I would get some form of porting done while the motor is apart- may as well! You don't have to go crazy- just a small port will mean reasonable gains at the end of the day. Make sure you get it done by someone who knows what they're doing- you'll need intake and exhaust porting done to get the most benefit, although the FD ports are large from the factory.
If your turbos are shot, go single turbo- it'll probably cost less than or close to getting your twins rebuilt or replaced and much more potential power to be made with the right size turbo.
Now let's see what everyone else thinks...
I would get some form of porting done while the motor is apart- may as well! You don't have to go crazy- just a small port will mean reasonable gains at the end of the day. Make sure you get it done by someone who knows what they're doing- you'll need intake and exhaust porting done to get the most benefit, although the FD ports are large from the factory.
If your turbos are shot, go single turbo- it'll probably cost less than or close to getting your twins rebuilt or replaced and much more potential power to be made with the right size turbo.
Now let's see what everyone else thinks...
#3
If it is for the street I would not port the engine. My engine is ported right now and i think when it goes out I will trade it for a non-ported engine. You lose gas mileage, idel is crap, and in my opinion you lose low end power. I stay under the rpm range that ported motors are made for so I guess it was pointless for my car to be ported.
Also $800 for a porting job? WHoa! Every place I have seen charges $300.
Also $800 for a porting job? WHoa! Every place I have seen charges $300.
#4
**** that...street port it. Go non-sequential. Get a FMIC. Tune it. You'll be WAY happy.
Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the **** out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.
Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the **** out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.
#5
Originally Posted by jspecracer7' date='Aug 24 2003, 08:08 AM
**** that...street port it. Go non-sequential. Get a FMIC. Tune it. You'll be WAY happy.
Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the **** out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.
Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the **** out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.
#6
Sean, get the street port. Hands down.
Send me a PM and i'll let you get a ride in mine.
PFS might not like non sequential only becuase they don't make money from making guys cars non sequential. If you want a T78 then they are the place to go.
If you want non sequential, give me a call. It is much better IMO over the stock sequentail.
I would pay them for the engine and port work. Its well worth it. My ports are identiacal to their templates.
I run 15 PSI and the car HAULS ***!
ask Rikki, he tunned it.
D.
Send me a PM and i'll let you get a ride in mine.
PFS might not like non sequential only becuase they don't make money from making guys cars non sequential. If you want a T78 then they are the place to go.
If you want non sequential, give me a call. It is much better IMO over the stock sequentail.
I would pay them for the engine and port work. Its well worth it. My ports are identiacal to their templates.
I run 15 PSI and the car HAULS ***!
ask Rikki, he tunned it.
D.
#7
Originally Posted by Joe Flo' date='Aug 25 2003, 01:11 AM
[quote name='jspecracer7' date='Aug 24 2003, 08:08 AM'] **** that...street port it. Go non-sequential. Get a FMIC. Tune it. You'll be WAY happy.
Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the **** out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.
Whoever buys an FD for gas mileage? Any mods will make that go down. I'm to the point of getting about 13 miles to the gallon. You know what...who ******* cares. I beat the **** out of my engine day in, day out...and love it. You lose low end torque, gain top end HP. My idle is great at 900 rpms...just requires more finessing of the power FC to do this.
tune is so you get better gas mileage. It's not the port that gets you bad gas mileage, but the tuning. If I didn't have such a lead foot, I'd get WAY better gas mileage :P