Help ! I'm Getting Fu*cked Over
06-03-2003, 08:49 PM
#31
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 2,871
Here is a very fair comparison between stock twins and the T04E
Wargasm's Dyno Page You might have to hit refresh a couple times to make sure the chart data matches the table data.
All are running about the same boost, all are between 325 - 360 hp. You can see the T04E has a fatter bottom end on EVERY case. About 50 hp worth @ 3750 RPM. Which one is more "DRIVEABLE" ?????
These all happen to be twin turbos modified for non-sequential. Use the page to create dyno charts for some of the sequential turbo cars. They have increadibly unpredictable torque curves. Mine seemed very steady while driving but some of these would be difficult and unpredictable to drive in the rain. Check this comparison.
Wargasm's Dyno Page
Which car do you want to drive home in the rain???
Wargasm's Dyno Page You might have to hit refresh a couple times to make sure the chart data matches the table data.
All are running about the same boost, all are between 325 - 360 hp. You can see the T04E has a fatter bottom end on EVERY case. About 50 hp worth @ 3750 RPM. Which one is more "DRIVEABLE" ?????
These all happen to be twin turbos modified for non-sequential. Use the page to create dyno charts for some of the sequential turbo cars. They have increadibly unpredictable torque curves. Mine seemed very steady while driving but some of these would be difficult and unpredictable to drive in the rain. Check this comparison.
Wargasm's Dyno Page
Which car do you want to drive home in the rain???
06-03-2003, 09:15 PM
#32
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Okinawa, Japan
Posts: 4,928
lol...sucks. T-04E turbo makes as much HP as twins...just makes **** easier. Do yourself a favor and do the work yourself
06-04-2003, 12:08 AM
#33
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: PA Pittsburgh
Posts: 575
Wow thanks for the charts and stuff. I'll see what i can do. From now on i think i am going to start doing the work myself. Of course with the help of you people.
06-04-2003, 12:10 AM
#34
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: PA Pittsburgh
Posts: 575
The other reason that he prob feels it will be too powerfull is becuase my car has the following mods as well.
Brand new Re-man 13B
HKS BOV
Racing Fuel Pump
Front mount intercooler
Apexi Power FC
Apexi AVC-R Boost Controler
Greedy Turbo Timer
3 Inch too 4.5 inch Exhaust with Greddy Muffler
After-Market Rad
ACT Street / Strip clutch
H&R Springs
HKS Cold Air Intake
Re-Located Battery ( Passenger Side Bin )
I dont know how much that affects the HP what do you guy's think?
Brand new Re-man 13B
HKS BOV
Racing Fuel Pump
Front mount intercooler
Apexi Power FC
Apexi AVC-R Boost Controler
Greedy Turbo Timer
3 Inch too 4.5 inch Exhaust with Greddy Muffler
After-Market Rad
ACT Street / Strip clutch
H&R Springs
HKS Cold Air Intake
Re-Located Battery ( Passenger Side Bin )
I dont know how much that affects the HP what do you guy's think?
06-04-2003, 08:36 AM
#35
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 2,871
Offer to remove the boost controller. Therefore you can't increase the boost above the wastegate spring.
Those people on the dyno page would have all the mods you do.
Those people on the dyno page would have all the mods you do.
06-04-2003, 11:19 AM
#36
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: PA Pittsburgh
Posts: 575
Yea i might do that. I have a Dell lap top thou too. So i was wondering if any of you know where i can get the cable and program to tune the PFC from the laptop. If i keep the car i think it would be tight to hook the laptop up to the PFC. Plus i still got ride of the boost controler. But not really
06-04-2003, 01:09 PM
#37
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,550
You would be refering to the Datalogit... http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/
The shop is definitly trying to screw you.. Ie.. They can give you a stock set of crap turbos they have sitting in the corner and charge you more to install them due to the extra labor and then hock the to4e kit for a 1-2k to sombody else.. Since you have a already tuned power FC for the To4E kit, does your father also know that you car will have to be completly retuned after the stock twins go back on? Is this shop even capable of tunning the power FC? Are they even a authorized Apexi dealer with Power Excell software to tune the power FC? If they say they are just going to reset it and it will be ok they are full of ****. With the parts on your car it has to be tunned or it will be blown with in 6 months or less trying to run on the basic map the power fc comes with...
What shop is this.. I really want to know who is feeding your father all this ****...
The shop is definitly trying to screw you.. Ie.. They can give you a stock set of crap turbos they have sitting in the corner and charge you more to install them due to the extra labor and then hock the to4e kit for a 1-2k to sombody else.. Since you have a already tuned power FC for the To4E kit, does your father also know that you car will have to be completly retuned after the stock twins go back on? Is this shop even capable of tunning the power FC? Are they even a authorized Apexi dealer with Power Excell software to tune the power FC? If they say they are just going to reset it and it will be ok they are full of ****. With the parts on your car it has to be tunned or it will be blown with in 6 months or less trying to run on the basic map the power fc comes with...
What shop is this.. I really want to know who is feeding your father all this ****...
06-04-2003, 02:04 PM
#38
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: PA Pittsburgh
Posts: 575
My dad is on the phone right now with the shop i'll see what comes of this i doubt the outcome will be good thou.
06-04-2003, 02:24 PM
#39
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: PA Pittsburgh
Posts: 575
Great thanks to all of you. Your massive amount of posts have saved my T04E . Looks like a victory for us. I'll find out exactly what they the shop said this time. But you convinced my dad to let me keep the T04E. God i cant give enough thanks to all of you guy's. and esspecialy you Dragon your letter helped a lot. They are goin to just tune it down to what ever it runs good at. The only reason the shop sugested the twind was becuase it was th eonly way they said they could take any more power away becasue my dad said the T04E was too much even at 10 psi. So they said why not go non-s twins. Well i dont know but it looks as if it's goin to work out. since even if they tune it down i can buy 1300 CC and drop my laptop on her to fix her up. But any way thanks again you guys saved my car.
06-04-2003, 02:28 PM
#40
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: London, Ontario
Posts: 2,871
Glad to hear it. Now everyone give themselves a big pat on the back!
Oops, missed!
Oops, missed!