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Ideas for new engine trans combo in the Vert

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Old 01-12-2010, 02:13 PM
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lol sounds like a plan man, best of luck
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Old 01-12-2010, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag
Call me crazy, but after reading this I'm considering starting with the PP option, and putting a turbo engine together on the heels of it as a side project. A 3 or 4 rotor would be cool but I still feel like they haven't got the attention that all the 2 rotor engines have gotten over the years.



I've heard about 3rotors breaking e-shafts for a while now and remember all the problems Brad had with his 10th anny turboed 20b swap, and I can easily do both engines and thier perephials for what it would take to do a 4rotor, besides, I think a tube framed car would be a more fitting application for a 4rotor engine, not a 3800lb convertible with stereo **** and AC.



...and the rotary gods wouldn't shat at me for putting a V8 in an RX modeled car, just can't get passed that...


oh you know brad too? his troubles were pretty typical, the 20b just adds complexity...



PP in a vert? prepare to smell bad, but it'll be a hoot. its simple, you give your motor to rob, he fills in the ports, and adds new ones. id suggest starting with EFI...
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I wouldnt say I know Brad, but we've met. Saw his car in Wenatchee, it was radical, he said it wasnt quite all there yet though, that was a few years ago now.



lol, My car stinks now as it is, only bad if you have to idle at a light for a long time. Im guessing that all that comes with the P-Port (noise and smell) will have me so pissed off that I'll gladly welcome the turbo'd set-up at that point.



I'm sure I'll have a bazillion quesions to ask as this comes along, but yes certainly EFI, Thanks Mike!
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eh, I dont know if I would go to the trouble for 250hp, go big or go home
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:55 PM
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If you could pick-up 1 hp for $9.50ea I'm guessing you would. I went and talked to Rob @ Pineapple this afternoon and we have a little different plan.



Semi P-Port with larger ports in the plates, affixed sleeves, turbo II management and harness, turbo'd, all with my existing engine.



Should be interesting and step up the power some.
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag
If you could pick-up 1 hp for $9.50ea I'm guessing you would. I went and talked to Rob @ Pineapple this afternoon and we have a little different plan.



Semi P-Port with larger ports in the plates, affixed sleeves, turbo II management and harness, turbo'd, all with my existing engine.



Should be interesting and step up the power some.






Why the hell would you even consider sticking with stock electronics? It can barely run a stock motor, let alone one making any real power...
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob x-7
eh, I dont know if I would go to the trouble for 250hp, go big or go home


It really isn't as much trouble as it would seem as i'm pulling the engine anyway. Had a battery issue that made a mess in the bay and I was caught in a few rainstorms, so it needs a good once over throughout. It might appear as an inconveient excuse, but it isn't my daily either.





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Why the hell would you even consider sticking with stock electronics? It can barely run a stock motor, let alone one making any real power...


Its not so much a considering or depending on stock as it is a staged upgrade scenario. The non-turbo part of it Semi p-port and other port work, manifold mods and fuel system mods can be done relatively quickly, for a small amount up front once implimented and the SAFC should be enough to start with to make it happen.



I'm more interested in the T2 harness than the ECU as a second step when implimenting a small turbo, standalone is in my future after that, I'm sure.



I suppose I should clarify, besides the S-10 that I beat on and have nearly a quarter million miles on, I've ended up with the SSR with a 6 liter/6 speed in it and I have an 08 SS trailblazer with a 6 liter in it, so I have go fast options coming out my *** in the way of other rides.



I'm a virgin when it comes to other types of rotary power and want to explore them, maybe all of them if time and loot allow it.
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Im going to disagree with your plan, especially on the TII harness.

For the cost of a standalone you will be prepped for any set up you may evolve to, using a new harness and all new sensors.



By the time you are done you will kick yourself in the *** for just not going with a turbo engine to begin with.
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Originally Posted by 89 Rag
I'm more interested in the T2 harness than the ECU as a second step when implimenting a small turbo, standalone is in my future after that, I'm sure.


there is a place that can make the stock ecu programable, within limits, www.pocketlogger.com
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The TII harness is going to be old, youre asking for problems with bad wires, bad connections, broken connectors, etc. Its incredibly expensive to replace, and still have all the provisions for unnecessary emissions equipment. Same goes for the ecu, but even after flashing it, you are still bound by the limitations of 1980's era electronics.



Or you can just get a proper standalone, which will have a new harness, with only what you need, and has all the capability you will ever need. And it probably wont cost you much more than the route you were looking at.
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