Aspec Tuning=very Bad
07-19-2003, 04:49 PM
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there are two because i didnt know each post had to be moderate before actually posted on the board, so i typed two times.
sorry i usually dont have a big enough problem with people to post any bad news within the "vendor feeback" section.
sorry i usually dont have a big enough problem with people to post any bad news within the "vendor feeback" section.
07-19-2003, 07:00 PM
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as for my boost issues, you did not solve ANYTHING. I had called you on two seperate occasions about a specific PART i needed. first time, i believe i did speak with you on a vacuum leak i had, which i worked on and solved myself under the supervision of a knowledgable mechanic. the second time i had boost issues, noone could solve the problem besides myself tearing down the car from turbo to uim, which i then called you for a part.
i have learned over the months to only get parts from "specific" shops such as yours, otherwise you will get burned. im sorry that in the begining i believed that you did your own work, if i knew you didnt, i wouldve taken the engine to a different shop for a smaller final price, even if i had to pay 1000 for shipping both ways.
you blame me for stripping the oil metering pump? i had not even touched the pump untill AFTER i got the car back and found i was leaking oil. i have people who watched over me taking down the engine before i gave you the car and know that i did not touch that, or remove the ignitor for example. you say you helped me so much and explained this huge charging issue to me, which i then replaced the NEXT DAY, battery and alternator, and new ecu, how did you really help me? by giving me a car that died in the middle of traffic or had more problems AFTER it came back then when i gave it to you?
go ahead, knock my character all you wish, i dont care a bit, try to persuade people on here you are respectable. ill keep to my own opinions with the facts i have about your shop. answer my questions instead of bashing the way i care for my own car based on HEAR-SAY, not fact.
when i had picked my car up i did tell you my issues i had with the car, and hoped to god you had fixed what i told you to fix, and put things back on as i wanted, only to find you didnt. did i ever ask for my ast to be removed? no, but you did it anyways and charged me 50 something to put two bolts in two hoses, about a 5 minute job andd less than 4$ in parts. i understand you must raise prices to pay for your shops overhead and the nice parts you have in all of your "shop cars" but i dont believe this is the best way to do it.
if you've done so much for me, then why not point every last thing out to me as i picked the car up and you may have recieved a thank you for your service. you stealing my wheels was still WRONG in ANY form, even if you pointed it out to me.
as for me selling my car, yes i am getting out of this with my fd, and i have fixed most all parts to the car, one last part is going to be putting on a single as well as tuning my car more. at a cost a hell've lot lower than the 7,000 you quoted me to put in a single that you produce. my car does function fine after almost 5,000 miles after everything ive gone through..
if you want me to scan everything you've done, ill figure out a way to do it, eventhough it doesn't show almost anything you've done or asked me to do. if you want to learn more about what has happened or if you want to fight more against me, email me at past12dave@aol.com or im me.
i have learned over the months to only get parts from "specific" shops such as yours, otherwise you will get burned. im sorry that in the begining i believed that you did your own work, if i knew you didnt, i wouldve taken the engine to a different shop for a smaller final price, even if i had to pay 1000 for shipping both ways.
you blame me for stripping the oil metering pump? i had not even touched the pump untill AFTER i got the car back and found i was leaking oil. i have people who watched over me taking down the engine before i gave you the car and know that i did not touch that, or remove the ignitor for example. you say you helped me so much and explained this huge charging issue to me, which i then replaced the NEXT DAY, battery and alternator, and new ecu, how did you really help me? by giving me a car that died in the middle of traffic or had more problems AFTER it came back then when i gave it to you?
go ahead, knock my character all you wish, i dont care a bit, try to persuade people on here you are respectable. ill keep to my own opinions with the facts i have about your shop. answer my questions instead of bashing the way i care for my own car based on HEAR-SAY, not fact.
when i had picked my car up i did tell you my issues i had with the car, and hoped to god you had fixed what i told you to fix, and put things back on as i wanted, only to find you didnt. did i ever ask for my ast to be removed? no, but you did it anyways and charged me 50 something to put two bolts in two hoses, about a 5 minute job andd less than 4$ in parts. i understand you must raise prices to pay for your shops overhead and the nice parts you have in all of your "shop cars" but i dont believe this is the best way to do it.
if you've done so much for me, then why not point every last thing out to me as i picked the car up and you may have recieved a thank you for your service. you stealing my wheels was still WRONG in ANY form, even if you pointed it out to me.
as for me selling my car, yes i am getting out of this with my fd, and i have fixed most all parts to the car, one last part is going to be putting on a single as well as tuning my car more. at a cost a hell've lot lower than the 7,000 you quoted me to put in a single that you produce. my car does function fine after almost 5,000 miles after everything ive gone through..
if you want me to scan everything you've done, ill figure out a way to do it, eventhough it doesn't show almost anything you've done or asked me to do. if you want to learn more about what has happened or if you want to fight more against me, email me at past12dave@aol.com or im me.
07-21-2003, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by papasmurf' date='Jul 19 2003, 04:00 PM
as for my boost issues, you did not solve ANYTHING. I had called you on two seperate occasions about a specific PART i needed. first time, i believe i did speak with you on a vacuum leak i had, which i worked on and solved myself under the supervision of a knowledgable mechanic. the second time i had boost issues, noone could solve the problem besides myself tearing down the car from turbo to uim, which i then called you for a part.
i have learned over the months to only get parts from "specific" shops such as yours, otherwise you will get burned. im sorry that in the begining i believed that you did your own work, if i knew you didnt, i wouldve taken the engine to a different shop for a smaller final price, even if i had to pay 1000 for shipping both ways.
you blame me for stripping the oil metering pump? i had not even touched the pump untill AFTER i got the car back and found i was leaking oil. i have people who watched over me taking down the engine before i gave you the car and know that i did not touch that, or remove the ignitor for example. you say you helped me so much and explained this huge charging issue to me, which i then replaced the NEXT DAY, battery and alternator, and new ecu, how did you really help me? by giving me a car that died in the middle of traffic or had more problems AFTER it came back then when i gave it to you?
go ahead, knock my character all you wish, i dont care a bit, try to persuade people on here you are respectable. ill keep to my own opinions with the facts i have about your shop. answer my questions instead of bashing the way i care for my own car based on HEAR-SAY, not fact.
when i had picked my car up i did tell you my issues i had with the car, and hoped to god you had fixed what i told you to fix, and put things back on as i wanted, only to find you didnt. did i ever ask for my ast to be removed? no, but you did it anyways and charged me 50 something to put two bolts in two hoses, about a 5 minute job andd less than 4$ in parts. i understand you must raise prices to pay for your shops overhead and the nice parts you have in all of your "shop cars" but i dont believe this is the best way to do it.
if you've done so much for me, then why not point every last thing out to me as i picked the car up and you may have recieved a thank you for your service. you stealing my wheels was still WRONG in ANY form, even if you pointed it out to me.
as for me selling my car, yes i am getting out of this with my fd, and i have fixed most all parts to the car, one last part is going to be putting on a single as well as tuning my car more. at a cost a hell've lot lower than the 7,000 you quoted me to put in a single that you produce. my car does function fine after almost 5,000 miles after everything ive gone through..
if you want me to scan everything you've done, ill figure out a way to do it, eventhough it doesn't show almost anything you've done or asked me to do. if you want to learn more about what has happened or if you want to fight more against me, email me at past12dave@aol.com or im me.
i have learned over the months to only get parts from "specific" shops such as yours, otherwise you will get burned. im sorry that in the begining i believed that you did your own work, if i knew you didnt, i wouldve taken the engine to a different shop for a smaller final price, even if i had to pay 1000 for shipping both ways.
you blame me for stripping the oil metering pump? i had not even touched the pump untill AFTER i got the car back and found i was leaking oil. i have people who watched over me taking down the engine before i gave you the car and know that i did not touch that, or remove the ignitor for example. you say you helped me so much and explained this huge charging issue to me, which i then replaced the NEXT DAY, battery and alternator, and new ecu, how did you really help me? by giving me a car that died in the middle of traffic or had more problems AFTER it came back then when i gave it to you?
go ahead, knock my character all you wish, i dont care a bit, try to persuade people on here you are respectable. ill keep to my own opinions with the facts i have about your shop. answer my questions instead of bashing the way i care for my own car based on HEAR-SAY, not fact.
when i had picked my car up i did tell you my issues i had with the car, and hoped to god you had fixed what i told you to fix, and put things back on as i wanted, only to find you didnt. did i ever ask for my ast to be removed? no, but you did it anyways and charged me 50 something to put two bolts in two hoses, about a 5 minute job andd less than 4$ in parts. i understand you must raise prices to pay for your shops overhead and the nice parts you have in all of your "shop cars" but i dont believe this is the best way to do it.
if you've done so much for me, then why not point every last thing out to me as i picked the car up and you may have recieved a thank you for your service. you stealing my wheels was still WRONG in ANY form, even if you pointed it out to me.
as for me selling my car, yes i am getting out of this with my fd, and i have fixed most all parts to the car, one last part is going to be putting on a single as well as tuning my car more. at a cost a hell've lot lower than the 7,000 you quoted me to put in a single that you produce. my car does function fine after almost 5,000 miles after everything ive gone through..
if you want me to scan everything you've done, ill figure out a way to do it, eventhough it doesn't show almost anything you've done or asked me to do. if you want to learn more about what has happened or if you want to fight more against me, email me at past12dave@aol.com or im me.
1. new alternator
2. new battery
3. new injectors
4. engine management system
obviously you did not want to listen to us.. so thats why your car is slower.. you tried tuning it yourself and your not getting good results (especially if your running off the stock power fc map)
your car came to us in pieces missing various nuts/bolts/key 3rd gen components... why dont you check your garage floor, like you said. you threw eveything in the hatch with no inventory or organization... i told you that you were missing components and told you to bring them to us. no one stole your wheels..as we told you we needed to move a car (that didnt have wheels) 4 spaces over and used your wheels.. you got your rims right back on your car, in the same condition.. why wasnt this a problem with your before?
if you or your friends think you can tune a ported motor go ahead... obviously your car is not running good!
A-Spec
07-22-2003, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by papasmurf' date='Jul 19 2003, 04:00 PM
i have learned over the months to only get parts from "specific" shops such as yours, otherwise you will get burned. im sorry that in the begining i believed that you did your own work, if i knew you didnt, i wouldve taken the engine to a different shop for a smaller final price, even if i had to pay 1000 for shipping both ways.
We do do our own work, I have motors in various stages of teardown here anyone that wants to come by and see at any time can, IF it's the motor work your speaking of on certian motors it makes more sense to outsource the work, with all the talk you had about building this monster car and wanting the best, I would rather give that work to someone who I think will best suit the job, you never paid $1000 for shipping please show me and everyone where you paid that amount . You were told before you left the alternator was bad you said "Yeah I know" , you were told that the motor would take longer to breakin due to the hardening and cryo treating of specific parts, did the seals finally seat? yes. The $7k you got quoted wasn't just for the turbo kit either, you were quoted on the kit and all the necessary upgrades to run it properly installed.The wheels were an error on my part I grabbed the wrong ones, you were told that also informed or not your right stealing is wrong, but there is a big difference between stealing and grabbing the wrong set of wheels.Accusing me of stealing your wheels is about as close as you want to get to defamation, and again you wouldn't of even known had I not thought the right thing to do is inform you of my mistake. As far as emailing you to argue, why? you seem pretty into coming on here and bashing me rather than just come by and express yourself or even call, and now it's way to late for that. I have hundreds of happy customers to you and your two or three little friends running this campian. So have fun I'm done with this as it's going nowhere.
-Sean
We do do our own work, I have motors in various stages of teardown here anyone that wants to come by and see at any time can, IF it's the motor work your speaking of on certian motors it makes more sense to outsource the work, with all the talk you had about building this monster car and wanting the best, I would rather give that work to someone who I think will best suit the job, you never paid $1000 for shipping please show me and everyone where you paid that amount . You were told before you left the alternator was bad you said "Yeah I know" , you were told that the motor would take longer to breakin due to the hardening and cryo treating of specific parts, did the seals finally seat? yes. The $7k you got quoted wasn't just for the turbo kit either, you were quoted on the kit and all the necessary upgrades to run it properly installed.The wheels were an error on my part I grabbed the wrong ones, you were told that also informed or not your right stealing is wrong, but there is a big difference between stealing and grabbing the wrong set of wheels.Accusing me of stealing your wheels is about as close as you want to get to defamation, and again you wouldn't of even known had I not thought the right thing to do is inform you of my mistake. As far as emailing you to argue, why? you seem pretty into coming on here and bashing me rather than just come by and express yourself or even call, and now it's way to late for that. I have hundreds of happy customers to you and your two or three little friends running this campian. So have fun I'm done with this as it's going nowhere.
-Sean
-Sean
07-23-2003, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pengaru' date='Jul 19 2003, 12:32 PM
I've looked at this car in person, and I was present when papasmurf was removing the oil metering pump lines to see if they were injecting too much oil (the car smoked alot). One bolt was covered with aluminum from being overtorqued at time of installation, the bore was mostly stripped as a result of it, all papasmurf had done was remove it and it didnt take much effort at all (gee, i wonder why), and this bolt had NO crush washers installed with it. When he removed the other bolt for the 2nd line, it had two crush washers installed, both on the same side of the banjo fitting.. obviuosly not something papasmurf did since he didnt put the thing together. Now, aspec can claim he stripped bolts and this and that before dropping the car off to them, but he didnt touch things like the oil metering pump, the motor hadnt been removed and he didnt get to anything like that, he was just working on getting the trans+engine out, he just pulled out all the accessories to make more room available for the engine to come out.
Another thing I remember finding messed up was the power steering, papasmurf had removed it partially and aspec just rigged it with bolts in hoses to plug it up... wether papasmurf told them to do this or not i don't know.
When I looked at the car papasmurf had a powerfc installed, and he had the rev limiter set really low like 4000rpm, so I don't see how he was beating on the car before break-in was done with the powerfc setup like this. I also recall him driving the car alot initially to finish the break-in as fast as possible, of course he was anxious to play with the car, anyone would after dropping that much cash on a ported motor. (the cost of this shocks me)
from where i'm sitting it looks like both aspec and papasmurf messed this up, but I personally place more responsibility on the vendor than the buyer in this situation.
Another thing I remember finding messed up was the power steering, papasmurf had removed it partially and aspec just rigged it with bolts in hoses to plug it up... wether papasmurf told them to do this or not i don't know.
When I looked at the car papasmurf had a powerfc installed, and he had the rev limiter set really low like 4000rpm, so I don't see how he was beating on the car before break-in was done with the powerfc setup like this. I also recall him driving the car alot initially to finish the break-in as fast as possible, of course he was anxious to play with the car, anyone would after dropping that much cash on a ported motor. (the cost of this shocks me)
from where i'm sitting it looks like both aspec and papasmurf messed this up, but I personally place more responsibility on the vendor than the buyer in this situation.
listen im not gonna answer back to everything little thing that you can pick at. as i dont remember everything on that car..but this car came to us in pieces, period.. there was numerous stripped bolts and threads..
the car left the shop with stock inj, stock ecu and stockexahust..if he got a power fc after that, thats hes ordeal.. we NEVER tuned his power fc so if he thinks he could tune a power fc on his ported motor thats his perogative.. putting a power fc on your car doesnt make you a tuner.. from another thread it seems like hes still running the base power fc map...
As stated many times he installed the power fc and we never tuned it.. a engine management system is a very powerful tool that can make your car run great and it can also make your car run like crap
the power steering recirculator was done to SAVE him money as he stated that needed to be done.. a braided stainless steel loop line is $99.. we did NOT charge him for
if you want to nikpik our work howabout the work that we DIDNT charge him for.
As this dealing with Dave has taught us a very important lesson.. we will not be putting used parts on any customers cars and we will not put a ported motor in any customers car unless they do the fuel mods and ecu.. we will set up the ecu at the shop
if you feel that we rip people off then your free to your opinion..thats what makes this country so great!
thanks
A-spec
07-26-2003, 03:16 AM
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crazy thread...im going to stay out of the fight...but i wanted to say this much...
papa said this much...i know tuning is everything and the car is in that stage now, but even running on the base pfc maps it sur as hell should be faster....
no it shouldnt...it should run like ****.
i will say this....my car ran like *** with base maps...MUCH MUCH slower than stock and I have nearly thirty thousand into it...NOT counting the eightteen I paid for it.
the mail order maps will do the same thing....you need to use the datalogit or the dyno to get yours right. dyno tuning my car starting with the base maps I gained over 100rwhp over the first pull with poor maps and very conservative timing.
dont drive that car on an untuned power fc...regardless of your experience with them....that alone will void a warrantee with an engine builder...your car must be tuned.
j
aspec...when the hell are you getting dyno sheets for those twins???
papa said this much...i know tuning is everything and the car is in that stage now, but even running on the base pfc maps it sur as hell should be faster....
no it shouldnt...it should run like ****.
i will say this....my car ran like *** with base maps...MUCH MUCH slower than stock and I have nearly thirty thousand into it...NOT counting the eightteen I paid for it.
the mail order maps will do the same thing....you need to use the datalogit or the dyno to get yours right. dyno tuning my car starting with the base maps I gained over 100rwhp over the first pull with poor maps and very conservative timing.
dont drive that car on an untuned power fc...regardless of your experience with them....that alone will void a warrantee with an engine builder...your car must be tuned.
j
aspec...when the hell are you getting dyno sheets for those twins???
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