I know the overall opinion of the manifolds they make are not good, due to pre mature cracking. But the wastgates are cast, and look almost exactley like the original HKS ones. (unless the pictures are actually hks wastegates)



I understand the importance of a wastegate, but if someone were to get a knock off wastegate, then replace the spring with an hks original spring. Could it be relied upon?

link?

search google or the club for some stories about them.



ive heard some problems such as the bolt pattern being off etc, i considered getting one as well but n ow i think ill save myself any extra ordeal and get a real one.



kevin.

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yeah i missed the bid on an authintic on ebay, now i'm considering alternatives. If they weren't less than half the price of the originial I wouldn't even look twice at it.

i bought one, it looks like a pretty exact copy of the hks unit. if i was gonna be running high boost i dont think i would worry about it, but i want to run like 10psi, so i actually need the thing to work, so i'm a little nervous about it. enough that i think i'm just gonna stuff the to4 guts into the stock exhaust housing

yeah, im pretty worried about it. I mean if it were to fail, would it open, or stay closed? I want to run about 10 psi too, so i'm thinking if i get a 6psi spring, then try to add the 4 with the boost controller, hopefully if something happens it will just stay open.

well hanging open is no biggie, cause then your boost is just low. if it sticks closed then you get the big spike, and maybe engine or somesing.



i'm thinking i'm going to hybrid my car and put the full tfizzle on the 510@12psi, so we'll see

that's what i'm thinking, if it breaks and stays open, no biggie. closed, and your in trouble.



I really don't think i want to experiment tho. It's just a sprung valve right? What could possibly go wrong? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif

The guide shaft could gall and bind causing the gate to get stuck in the closed position. It is subjected to a lot of heat and has to be of decent enough quality to withstand that heat and function correctly.

i believe that ccarlsi said his friend had one and it leaked at idle, and overboosted with no cats

i had an El Cheapo brand on my car when i first installed the single. 2 days later, Wg stuck shut.... i saw the 25 psi boost gauge peg the needle before peices went tailpipe bound.... cheap wastegate costed me a Gt35R single turbo and a low milage engine.



Do yourself a favor... eat ramen for 2 weeks... spend the extra money and get a good WG.

GO FOR A TIAL!!!!

"You get what you pay for."

Please, stop supporting these fucks who make cheap knock-off's.

I know it's tempting for this cheap price, but if you got the money, pay for the REAL stuff.





-Ted

that's all I had to hear. fyi, i've been eating ramen and spaggetti for a while now. I've got a hungry house and car to feed.





I know, I know. I haven't cheaped out on anything yet. I just thought i was gettin an authentic wg for affordable and it didn't happen, so you automatically look at the cheap stuff.



Pisses me off to hear that it's blowing peoples motors. Unfortunate that they aren't liable in some way.

Yes, I realize the temptation to get cheap on the WG is very high!

Especially since a GOOD WG can cost as much as your turbo (i.e. HKS Race / GT or Tial 46)...

But, if you think about it, the WG keeps control of boost and uncontrolled boost can cost you a lot more than the savings going with the cheap knock-off.

Engine rebuild and replacing a turbo is not cheaper!







-Ted

They SHOULD NOT be liable for any damage produced. If a person buys a knockoff then it's THEIR fault. If you were a skydiver would you buy a knockoff parachute to save some money?

Well I'm sure that they don't consider their own products knock off. If they are a legitimate business, then they have to sell a product that works how they advertise it, or face retaliation in law suits and such. For false advertising if nothing else. I see it happen every day.

they do consider it a knock off "hks style replica's" etc, is a fancy way of saying "knock off"



considering theyve had like 5 different ebay names and change their company name every couple months, right now its like stone mountain or something.



kevin.

plus buying a new wg.

I concur. You shouldn't use a el-cheapo wastegate, it is the most important device and only device to control boost. There is no backup/redudancy either so if it craps your screwed.

I was sent one of those with my davinchi kit. I could not get it to open at all. I tried several spring rates. I also tried it with an authentic HKS spring to no avail. I eventually went ahead and bought the real HKS wastegate and it worked fine the first try. I compared the two and the only difference is the real one has a better material for a diaphragm. The generic one has shitty flimbsy material and I don't k now that its shaft is perfectly straight. I would not reccomend it to anyone.

You get what you pay for....how true in the world of wastegates.

Actually... a greddy pop off valve is a nice extra feature to add. That along with a boost-switched warning light to warn you of over boost would have saved my engine, and probably the turbo. I had one on my former IC setup but hadn't swapped it to the new setup when the wastegate stuck.. It's on there now though....

yes but just because it's "styled" like a working wastegate, doesn't mean it's not going to work at all.



that's like saying new york style pizza is always going to taste like ****

The TiAL 44mm V-band is where it's at! It's just a hair over $300 from RRE (or it was when I ordered mine), it's perfect.

hotrod headers...etc.

they are selling Chinese ****..but they are also selling the crap through

Turbocalculater.com who is also next to them in North Carolina.



They made so much cash they're laughing all the way to the bank.At our expense.

Cocksukers!

How would you use the vband with say a cast manifold? Just use a flange of some sort with the v-band welded on?



the Tial 44mm is on my "to get" list, but didnt want to get it if I cant use it on anything other than a tubular manifold.

I'm not sure if they make cast manifolds with a v-band connection in mind.

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I made my own manifold.

Yeah, thats what I'm sayin...I dont think it would work, unless it was rigged up some way.



Also, what is RRE? link? cheapest I've seen the 44mm is $395..

You would have to make an adapter. One end would have the flange matching the manifold, and the other end would have a v-band flange.

My friend bought one and it has leaked at idle since day 1. We both put together turbo kits at around the same time. We had a big debate on whether or not to use the knock off or go with a Tial. I went with a Tial 44mm, and in retrospect he wishes he did the same thing.

cool, what manifold did you use?

Road Race Engineering (DSM Gods!)



$365 and they had them in stock. Cheapturbo couldn't get them over a 2 month period. I'm not bashing them, I bought my T04R from them. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

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Yeah, I know what you are saying...

I bought my T04R from them as well!

Martin's doesn't work either...



The company selling them won't refund ANY defects either.... Ask me how I know. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

Thats to bad for everyone involved.

sorry to hear about your guys experience. But that's what I needed to hear. Ramen noodles aren't that bad...

I'm using the Feed Sonic knock-off sold by various shops on ebay. I had a high end prototyping shop machine the flanges flat, cut the hks wg flange off, counter skin the hole, and weld on the Tial 44mm v-band flange.



I bought my Tial WG from Roadrace Engineering. I say this in no uncertain terms-THEY ARE THE RUDEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER DELT WITH. I have never been treated so poorly by a shop in the 6 years I've been modifying my car. Incidentally, my friend that bought the knock off wastegate was present for the entire exchange with them on a 3-way call. After the call he decided not to buy a Tial wastegate from them. The only reason I bought it from them was because I was under a tight schedule at the time and couldn't find any other shop that had it in stock even though I was willing to pay a $100 premium just to avoid doing business with them.



Anyway it's on the car and works great so life is good https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

That's strange, I had a pretty good experience with them. I emailed asking if they had them in stock, they did, and it shipped the same day I ordered. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif