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I've seen this guy selling this intercooler for the past year or so now.
http://www.streetimports.com/newitems/med-1.jpg I think freestyle bought one. How good is it? I kinda have my doubts at 299. |
Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Feb 2 2004, 12:08 AM
I've seen this guy selling this intercooler for the past year or so now.
http://www.streetimports.com/newitems/med-1.jpg I think freestyle bought one. How good is it? I kinda have my doubts at 299. kevin. |
it looks just like the greddy core
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How many manufactures are out there that can make an intercooler core? there aren't too many are there? i would imagine it is quite a diifcult thing to manufacture.
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i bought my JDM 4G63 threw them for my colt. Its a decent company. Can't speak for the intercooler, but if its put together well, there isn't too much too it after that.
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i got mine from them, if this is the company in canada. mine is 22"x16"x3 or 4" i think.quality is really good and its working fine for me. i think i paid like $499 for it and it was worth every penny. i know this will piss somebody off but you can buy a name or buy an intercooler.your choice imo
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Ya i was thinking of getting one these from ebay as well. Im planing on doing a custom ic job, because its just way to much to buy a whole kit. Something like this is what im looking to get...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=2458455413 |
That Spearco is damn nice.
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Hey Cheers, these places sell intercooler cores, and like spearco will make one to your custom specifications.
http://www.cartech.net/intercoolers.htm http://www.proturbokits.com/partsintercoolers.htm |
hey i have one...u want it? 300 shipped https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png
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they're a great buy. my buddy has one and the core does look just like my GReddy 24row fmic. he had his piping made for it and it's a great intercooler. like redfdforme said, you can pay for a name or an intercooler. nobody will know who made it and they probobly wont care..
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Yeah, looks like a greddy core but the endtanks have the ends much higher, maybe that will clear my air duct with that IC..
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I just installed their larger one. The 24x12x3 and its quite nice. Looks good, works really well, or at leats feels like it. I have to hook up my sensors and my laptop up to see what the numbers are compared to the stock. But overall, I think its very nice.
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Get a pic of the internal fin design.
Some of them are cheap because of the easier to make internal fin design. -Ted |
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Originally Posted by RETed' date='Mar 24 2004, 02:14 PM
Get a pic of the internal fin design.
Some of them are cheap because of the easier to make internal fin design. -Ted |
I would never use it.
You get what you pay for. -Ted |
Originally Posted by RETed' date='Mar 29 2004, 03:29 PM
I would never use it.
You get what you pay for. -Ted If you feel that way then you can go ahead and spend a lot more money. Ill save mine and use it on other things |
Originally Posted by RETed' date='Mar 29 2004, 03:29 PM
I would never use it.
You get what you pay for. -Ted Do you realize this is NOT rx7club.com. If you have nothing productive to say don't say it. |
That seems to be the only thing I hear from people who insist on the big JDM names. All I know are the actual results Im seeing on my car. Hmmm...I didn't know "XS Engineering" was considered JDM. I didn't know "Garrett" was considered JDM. I didn't know "Spearco" was considered JDM. If you feel that way then you can go ahead and spend a lot more money. Ill save mine and use it on other things Yeah, I tend to have a higher level of what I consider minimum quality. To me, wasting money on an inferior product is exactly that - a waste of money. I tend to save enough money to buy the products I believe are worth my money rather than get cheap. -Ted |
ted can you explain why that IC sucks? im just wondering. (not being sarcastic or trying to be a dick i wanna know)
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Originally Posted by Cheers!' date='Mar 29 2004, 03:53 PM
That's ok no one if forcing you to.
Do you realize this is NOT rx7club.com. If you have nothing productive to say don't say it. If I have broken one of the forum rules, can you show me where explicitly what I did wrong? You asked for comments on the intercooler. I offered them. If you don't like them, you're welcome to ignore me. I don't expect you to listen anyways. If you don't want ME to say anything in your thread, just tell me to **** OFF. I'd be happy to oblige you. I don't understand what this has anything to do with the RX-7 Forum? What is your point? You don't like negative opinions in your threads? Why are you bothering to ask for opinions? To ask for opinions and then tell me to shut the hell up is just...I dunno, you tell me? -Ted |
Originally Posted by g_dripht-alex' date='Mar 29 2004, 10:25 PM
ted can you explain why that IC sucks? im just wondering. (not being sarcastic or trying to be a dick i wanna know)
It's an inferior core. Try and see if you can find the Spearco literature on intercooler design. An intercooler's internal fin design is directly related to how efficient it heat exchange efficiency. The above pic of the intercooler core basically has no internal fins. Pressure drop is minimized, but heat exchange efficiency is not as good as one with proper internal fins. I always thought the number one priority for an intercooler is heat exchange? I can get XS Engineering "Skyline GT-R" tube-and-fin cores for $500. I find these intercooler cores to be adequate for my customers' needs. They are internal fin design and are more better designed that the intercooler core shown above. -Ted |
Originally Posted by RETed' date='Mar 30 2004, 01:46 AM
I didn't say it "sucks" - at least not in this thread.
It's an inferior core. Try and see if you can find the Spearco literature on intercooler design. An intercooler's internal fin design is directly related to how efficient it heat exchange efficiency. The above pic of the intercooler core basically has no internal fins. Pressure drop is minimized, but heat exchange efficiency is not as good as one with proper internal fins. I always thought the number one priority for an intercooler is heat exchange? I can get XS Engineering "Skyline GT-R" tube-and-fin cores for $500. I find these intercooler cores to be adequate for my customers' needs. They are internal fin design and are more better designed that the intercooler core shown above. -Ted So lets see...I get less pressure drop, and the thing cools the air almost as much as possible... Seems pretty good for a cheap IC that people shouldnt waste their money on. Ted, its just like with somethings, you dont even bother looking for real data or getting your own. You just trust what all the books say and take the manufacturers word as the final say in it all. You can quote all the XS engineering propaganda you want about "superior internal fin design", but at the end of the day, my IC keeps temps within just a few degrees of ambient and I paid a lot less than you did. But hey...Whatever helps you sleep at night, ya know? |
Well full boost from my 60-1 only raises temps a few above ambient. How long are you boosting? What is ambient temps? So lets see...I get less pressure drop, Stock? I'd like to see proof of that. and the thing cools the air almost as much as possible... I'm sure it's cooling the intake charge as much as it can possible because what else can it do? Does it cool less than its capacity? Does it cool more than it's capacity? Seems pretty good for a cheap IC that people shouldnt waste their money on. $ per percentage of cooling efficiency? $ per percentage of temperature drop? $ per degree of temperature drop? Ted, its just like with somethings, you dont even bother looking for real data or getting your own. You just trust what all the books say and take the manufacturers word as the final say in it all. "...raises temps a few above ambient..." "...I get less pressure drop..." "...the thing cools the air almost as much as possible..." "Seems pretty good for a cheap IC..." You want hard numbers? Stock IC, 7psi of boost, ambient 50F, speeds up to 120mph+ 13BT, ported motor, H-trim compressor upgrade, Haltech E6K Boosted runs up to 15 seconds at a time Intake temp on the Haltech showed max temps at 105F. That surprised me - I was expecting 120F easy, but the data doesn't lie. It looks like the stock IC isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. You can quote all the XS engineering propaganda you want about "superior internal fin design", I didn't even quote XS Engineering nor their propaganda; I find their tube-and-fin cores some of the cheapest on the market. but at the end of the day, my IC keeps temps within just a few degrees of ambient and I paid a lot less than you did. But hey...Whatever helps you sleep at night, ya know? It's funny; you should step back and see what you're typing. I know people will always be defensive about their purchases. To be ignorant and think what you're buying is more than it is makes you look very foolish. You need to go talk to other experts who deal with intercoolers and intercooler design day-in and day-out; don't be surprised what you will hear. It's obvious that you're not going to listen to me - you've made that point clear. -Ted |
Originally Posted by RETed' date='Apr 1 2004, 07:21 AM
How much boost is that?
How long are you boosting? What is ambient temps? Versus what? Stock? I'd like to see proof of that. Relative to what? I'm sure it's cooling the intake charge as much as it can possible because what else can it do? Does it cool less than its capacity? Does it cool more than it's capacity? And on what objective numbers are you basing this conclusion on? $ per percentage of cooling efficiency? $ per percentage of temperature drop? $ per degree of temperature drop? Funny, this is coming from a guy who just used... "...raises temps a few above ambient..." "...I get less pressure drop..." "...the thing cools the air almost as much as possible..." "Seems pretty good for a cheap IC..." You want hard numbers? Stock IC, 7psi of boost, ambient 50F, speeds up to 120mph+ 13BT, ported motor, H-trim compressor upgrade, Haltech E6K Boosted runs up to 15 seconds at a time Intake temp on the Haltech showed max temps at 105F. That surprised me - I was expecting 120F easy, but the data doesn't lie. It looks like the stock IC isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Hmmm...I guess you can go tell that to Spearco and Garrett; I tend to believe manufacturers like them before I believe your claims from your limited experience. I didn't even quote XS Engineering nor their propaganda; I find their tube-and-fin cores some of the cheapest on the market. Oh? It's funny cause I still run the stock IC, so what you're claiming is already bullshit. You definitely paid more than I did, cause I spent zero on a FMIC. "The pot calling the kettle black." It's funny; you should step back and see what you're typing. I know people will always be defensive about their purchases. To be ignorant and think what you're buying is more than it is makes you look very foolish. You need to go talk to other experts who deal with intercoolers and intercooler design day-in and day-out; don't be surprised what you will hear. It's obvious that you're not going to listen to me - you've made that point clear. -Ted Its been up to 17. 2nd through almost all of 4th gear. Ambient temps were mid 60's. Do you want to know the grade of the road I was on? Or the position of the sun in regards to the alignment of the planets also? You yourself said that pressure drop is minimized with my shitty core. Im assuming that your super magic spearco core that cools below absolute zero must have more of a pressure drop than my crap IC. Thats what I was comparing it too. Kinda sad you didnt catch that one... Cools the air as much as possible... Hmm... Lets take a second and think about this one. How cold can any air/air IC cool the intake charge? OH! Thats right! It can only cool it down to ambient temperature! Gee whiz. Using this logic thing isnt as hard as they say it is. Well...I guess it is for some people https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png Its cheaper than what youre getting and it does a damn good job. Thats what Objective numbers Im basing it on. Sorry I have a life that gets in the way of me sitting down to do some odd cost/pressure drop analysis. Why the hell are you talking about the stock IC? I never said it was bad. In fact, I was one of the few who supported how good it was. I ran 18psi everything from 8-18psi through the stock IC and the HT-18 and temps never got super high. Youre right. It is pretty good for what it is. All I have to say is that limited experience is better than no experience. Spearco and GReddy and XS all want to sell you their products. You think theyre going to release material that says, "Well...Actually you can get an IC for a lot cheaper thats only marginally worse than what we offer"? Like I said, Im sorry that I have a life outside of the internet and mountains of data to play with. Instead of talking to all these intercooler experts, I think Ill just go get some ACTUAL DATA for MYSELF. |
Its been up to 17. 2nd through almost all of 4th gear. Ambient temps were mid 60's. Do you want to know the grade of the road I was on? Or the position of the sun in regards to the alignment of the planets also? You yourself said that pressure drop is minimized with my shitty core. Im assuming that your super magic spearco core that cools below absolute zero must have more of a pressure drop than my crap IC. Thats what I was comparing it too. Kinda sad you didnt catch that one... Most important function of an intercooler is heat exchange. Cools the air as much as possible... Hmm... Lets take a second and think about this one. How cold can any air/air IC cool the intake charge? OH! Thats right! It can only cool it down to ambient temperature! Gee whiz. Using this logic thing isnt as hard as they say it is. Well...I guess it is for some people https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png Its cheaper than what youre getting and it does a damn good job. Thats what Objective numbers Im basing it on. Sorry I have a life that gets in the way of me sitting down to do some odd cost/pressure drop analysis. Why the hell are you talking about the stock IC? I never said it was bad. In fact, I was one of the few who supported how good it was. I ran 18psi everything from 8-18psi through the stock IC and the HT-18 and temps never got super high. Youre right. It is pretty good for what it is. All I have to say is that limited experience is better than no experience. Spearco and GReddy and XS all want to sell you their products. You think theyre going to release material that says, "Well...Actually you can get an IC for a lot cheaper thats only marginally worse than what we offer"? Like I said, Im sorry that I have a life outside of the internet and mountains of data to play with. Instead of talking to all these intercooler experts, I think Ill just go get some ACTUAL DATA for MYSELF. -Ted |
Originally Posted by RETed' date='Mar 29 2004, 12:29 PM
I would never use it.
You get what you pay for. -Ted As if all the <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>**** technicalities </span>mattered for a street car. People buy stuff for so many ******* REASONS so why the **** has everything has to be justified. There are so many reasons that determine how people and why they spend and some that come to mind:- 1) BUYS something BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD 2) THEY CAN ONLY AFFORD TO SPEND SO MUCH 3) COMPROMISE 4) NOT A PRIORITY There are a million other reasons and if you would not use something THEN DON'T ******* USE IT Thats your ******* choice. But don't tell me what I buy is irrelevant because you might be able to afford a better product. You're the most disgusting, retarded person I ever had the displeasure of knowing and quite a few other people are getting to realize the same. You have been around and everywhere you go, you get the same reaction. Abviously, this should tell you that it's not the people that have a problem but ******* YOU. If you can't be critical or enlightening without offending people, THEN SHUT THE **** UP, If I was anywhere near you I would WHOOP your ASS. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif |
Sorry Guys I am F****** Angry. I have seen this DICK HEAD all over the forums and his remarks and case for superior knowledge just rub me and other people the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by boost_creep' date='Apr 2 2004, 02:42 PM
If you can't be critical or enlightening without offending people, THEN SHUT THE **** UP, If I was anywhere near you I would WHOOP your ASS. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif
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Umm...guys...Ted is a knowledgeable guy. He's just not an internet "people person". But in all seriousness...all Ted did was state an opinion. He said that he would never use it because you get what you pay for....strictly an opinion. Didn't attack anybody, simply stated his opinion on that particular intercooler. Then you guys jump in his ****...now who's the *******?
adam, do you have any logs of your intake temps on the track or during any quarter mile runs? Intake temps vs. ambient temps over X amount of time is the data that's pertinent to this thread. I believe that my FMIC probably has quite a bit of pressure drop. Not a big deal with a big ass turbo since I'll just turn the boost up to fix the problem. Pressure drop should only be taken into consideration second since cooling is the first thing you should worry about. |
Originally Posted by RETed' date='Apr 2 2004, 02:41 PM
And the intake temps were?
Re-read what I said. Most important function of an intercooler is heat exchange. Last time I checked, there was no such thing as a "100% efficient" intercooler, which you describe. Then just claim you don't know what you're doing - don't claim your experience / experiment is the perfect solution for everyone. If the stock IC was "good enough", then why bother replacing it? Going with a front mount implies you're looking for something better. Ergo, the previous intercooler was not good enoguh for you needs. Ah, ok...I get it. You have a great disdain of large manufacturers who make "petty" claims of their (superior) performance... Sure, all valid, factual data is welcome. -Ted Temps were in the low 70's after it was all said and done. When did I not say heat exchange was important? Hey. Ted. Clean out them ears buddy. I said it cools ALMOST as MUCH AS POSSIBLE. As is ALMOST 100%. Never did I say that it was 100%. Geez. For a guy who spends so much of his life on the internet, you sure do have some reading comprehension problems. Lemme check if I said it was perfect for everyone... Oh! Look at that! I didnt! There you go again. Putting words in other peoples mouths. Why dont we just make a whole forum just for you? You talk enough for everyone else you could just make up your own people and you could all sit and argue about what the millionth decimal of Pi is, because god knows its really THAT important https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif I said the stock IC was good for what it is when using an HT-18 Ted. Did you see that part? ...Why even bother asking. You probably didnt. Ah well. I upgraded to a 60-1 so I upgraded my IC. Anything else that needs clarifying? ( Rhetorical question Ted. Dont bother answering. We all already know the answer. ) Yeah Ted. Your psychoanalysis is right on. I just hate those big companies. In fact, I started a local group whose main goal is to bring corporate giants to their knees. That must be why Ive sent a lot of my money to Haltech, RacingBeat, KYB, Eibach, TEIN, Apex'i, BFGoodrich, Falken, Advan, Mobil1, and GReddy ( Just to name a few ). Yeah...I hate em all. All the money in the world couldnt buy you a clue Ted. |
so does anyone actually have any #'s to compare the ebay intercooler to a "real" intercooler?
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This is a 4 inch thick Trust intercooler I just found/bought. core is 16x10x4. Check out the internal cooling fins.
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i like intercoolers they make car go fast.
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well i will have something for you guys in a couple of weeks. i'm going to k.d. to have the final tuning done and i'm gonna go for 22psi on pump gas. skip says if the intake temps stay good we'll go with the 22lbs if not we'll keep it at 20lbs.
i'll see if he can give me the temp readings you're looking for when its being done. also like jspec said it was just an opinion. i bought the intercooler myself and didn't get upset at all with what was said. opinions are like assholes... everybody has one. lol lol mike |
Originally Posted by g_dripht-alex' date='Apr 4 2004, 12:44 AM
i like intercoolers they make car go fast.
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I don't get why people jump on Ted's case just because he expresses his opinion. Cheers, you're right, this ISN't rx7club.com, and here we don't bash someone who states his/her opinion.
Quite frankly, Ted's absolutly right, you get what you pay for. This doesn't mean that it's a shitty IC, not at all. It could mean a crap load of things, but above all, it could mean that it's inferior to the ones made by Spearco, Trust, HKS, etc. Get off the man's case, or get back to the club. Sorry I gotta use you as an example Cheers, but you started this **** with him first, this is just a consequence to a bad way of handling a debate. |
ted does piss people off a lot. But i've learned to just ignore him. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/ohmy.png
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Teds right, you get what you pay for. But as you can see, bieng right isnt always popular.
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Didn't you ask "how good is this ebay intercooler ?" , someone answers your question and justifies what he said and he is severely attacked......., I just dont get it !!!! , did you want to be told only what you wanted to hear ?? . I for one will be careful before I offer any opinions , critisms or advise.
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