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Old Jul 11, 2003 | 08:49 PM
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it seems like mazda has 2 different rotor machines too, there is one where they come out really gold, and one where they are a more natural iron color with machining marks on the rotor face.



when you buy a new rotor you do not get to choose what letter you get, but the rotor you get is considered to be valid for the application



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Old Jul 11, 2003 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rx7tt95' date='Jul 11 2003, 08:38 PM
We did check the rotor letters and they were within "spec" and we used the front on the front, rear on the rear. Worked out well. My FD's were identical to the Cosmo rotors appearance wise. The Cosmo stationary gears are not hardened like the FD's either. They use the older FC-style three window bearings whereas the FD's have nine (or was it seven?).



My only concern at the momen then is oil pressure....anyone remember what they're getting pressure wise under full boost? Vosko? If I remeber correctly, I was seening 100psi (according to the gauge) which I initially had with the new engine. It's now down and I see about 60psi under boost which really isn't enough. It "may" be the sender as it's the original, 71K miles.
i have a racing beat competition oil pressure regulator. mine is 120 psi on full boost. although its hard to look........ my sender is the original one also. maybe it was replaced by the previous owner though
Old Jul 11, 2003 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by little rotor' date='Jul 12 2003, 08:36 AM
However I disgree if you are saying that a set of counterweights and rotors (in their original position) do not form a balanced set.
Here in Japan, every once in a while they will show car specials on TV. During one of the Mazda shows I was watching, they actually showed the factory assembly of a rotary. They literally grab parts off of a stack to put the motor together. I could not see any possible way that the rotating assemblies could be balanced sets. I have been told by people that worked at Mazda that the parts in question are all balanced seperately to a standard. I have gone by this rule and all my friends follow this rule without any ill effects.
Old Jul 12, 2003 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by IGY' date='Jul 11 2003, 08:49 PM
[quote name='little rotor' date='Jul 12 2003, 08:36 AM'] However I disgree if you are saying that a set of counterweights and rotors (in their original position) do not form a balanced set.
Here in Japan, every once in a while they will show car specials on TV. During one of the Mazda shows I was watching, they actually showed the factory assembly of a rotary. They literally grab parts off of a stack to put the motor together. I could not see any possible way that the rotating assemblies could be balanced sets. I have been told by people that worked at Mazda that the parts in question are all balanced seperately to a standard. I have gone by this rule and all my friends follow this rule without any ill effects. [/quote]

yeah, thats why you can put a light wieght flywheel on the car without it exploding



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Old Jul 13, 2003 | 02:48 AM
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The counterweights are there to offset the weight of the rotors. I don't see how they (Mazda) could drill all of the balancing holes in the counterweights without knowing what the rotor weights will be.



They could balance the counterweights separately if they know what weight rotors will go with them. Maybe they sort the rotors by weight and stick all the rotors of the same weight on a shelf. I don't know how they do it, just guessing.



I'm sure you can ignore all this balancing crap without any ill effects. I did for years. But then again, I don't rev to 10.5k RPMs all day long.



I was already highly jealous of you guys in Japan being able to buy used parts so cheaply, but TV shows about the Mazda factory. Now I'm green with envy. How much of the engine do they build by hand?



j9fd3s - A lightened flywheel can be balanced separately, regardless of the rest of the rotating assembly beacuse it's centred on the eccentric shaft not offset like the rotors and counterweights. Provided it is simply bolted to an automatic counterweight and the counterweight is not changed then the assembly should still be perfectly balanced. If the car is manual and you change to some random automatic counterweight when fitting the lightened flywheel there will be some imbalance.
Old Jul 13, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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This turned into a " how high can I rev my eng thread"



If you have the money get the SPL, but you will be more than happy with just the KIA. You can get the Kia BB also.
Old Jul 13, 2003 | 06:55 PM
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ok, I was lookin around and saw this GREDDY T88. How does the KAI compare to the t88 power wise? I havnt seen any pics of the kai, just read about it... anyone have any pics of this turbo?





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Old Jul 13, 2003 | 07:22 PM
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Well you know the greddy t-78 is capable of well over 500hp. The t-88 is HUGE like the other turbos, making comparable power in a similar power band. If your goal is hitting 500rwhp, you are better off choosing a turbo that is smaller, something like the t-78. You will have a more usuable power band with less lag, as well as a turbo that is big enough to always have power on tap and will peform well at higher than stock rpms.
Old Jul 13, 2003 | 07:23 PM
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Go to www.jouleusa.com they have a BP FD with a t51 kia BB and a R32 with a t51Spl. I have a t-88, if I had the money I would of gotten a t51kia BB. They will make about the same power, just with the t51 it will be sooner.
Old Jul 13, 2003 | 09:13 PM
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Yeah, if you only want 500 hp go with a T66. If you are dead set on a T51 get a BB KAI. But I think just the turbo is like $3000.

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