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Old 05-31-2004, 06:06 PM
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Some background info:



http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html



http://www.noswizard.com/water.php



Basically, water is injected into the intake stream to evaporate and cool the intake mixture to help reduce detonation problems & allow more boost or timing advance.



Since detonation is such a critical problem with the rotaries, it seems water injection would be a good solution for higher boost engines. Have people tried this, and if so, how well did it work?



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Old 05-31-2004, 06:18 PM
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Yep, been done succesfully. The most common system is the Aquamist
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Yep has been done. I run the PINZ Vapourjet system linked to my Haltech E6X. Heres some info: http://www.pinz-online.com/
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Of most interest with WI is that you can lean the mixture back to best power mix(13:1) with the obvious HP gains that come with that.



The combustion dynamics are most interesting if you study them. Water is most definately NOT inert in the combustion process.
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Originally Posted by bill shurvinton' date='Jun 1 2004, 01:05 AM
Of most interest with WI is that you can lean the mixture back to best power mix(13:1) with the obvious HP gains that come with that.
That's sort of what I thought. Running rich can't be good for power output. What kind of gains do you see from being able to run a "proper" mixture? Also, I suspect the water flashing to steam would probably help add some power, or help keep the housing clean, or such.



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I don't have numbers for a rotary I'm afraid. The fundamental research suggested up to 30% more power by allowing more boost, or 30% less fuel used. But that was on a 27 litre merlin engine. However the fundamentals are the same.



In terms of power lost by running too rich without any WI, standard text books put it at around 5%. Not huge, but on a 400HP engine thats 20HP, and some people will pay $$$ for that 20HP.
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Rice Racing was the water Injection guru, he had toyed with alot, I am not sure though of his presence on this forum... Max
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take a look at this thread over at rx7club http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.ph...hreadid=313424 about Anti Detonation
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[quote name='Syonyk' date='May 31 2004, 07:06 PM']Some background info:



http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html



http://www.noswizard.com/water.php



Basically, water is injected into the intake stream to evaporate and cool the intake mixture to help reduce detonation problems & allow more boost or timing advance.



Since detonation is such a critical problem with the rotaries, it seems water injection would be a good solution for higher boost engines. Have people tried this, and if so, how well did it work?



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It works very well. We have had great success for the last 3 years with our Rx-7 and our water injection kits. I have pictures of a dual stage kit installed on a 94 Rx-7 if anyone wants to see:



http://www.coolingmist.com/installation.aspx
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