how long does it take to build a motor?
#31
Takes me forever between cleaning, re-cleaning, cleaning again, and measuring tolerances, and cleaning one more time.
Sure in theory new parts should be good, but sometimes they arent. The production lines for those new parts dont spec out every part, that would cost a fortune! They check one every so often. If one of those is bad they may check back to the point where bad ones started coming off the line. There is no guarantee that a bad part wont get off the line, but there is a pretty good chance your new part is good. I would prefer not to be the guy that builds with a bad part because I didnt take the extra 15 minutes to check and has to warranty the customers motor because of it. If BMW spent the extra few minutes to check they wouldnt have had to recall all those M3's regardless of the law, I am sure that cost them a few million $.
Sure in theory new parts should be good, but sometimes they arent. The production lines for those new parts dont spec out every part, that would cost a fortune! They check one every so often. If one of those is bad they may check back to the point where bad ones started coming off the line. There is no guarantee that a bad part wont get off the line, but there is a pretty good chance your new part is good. I would prefer not to be the guy that builds with a bad part because I didnt take the extra 15 minutes to check and has to warranty the customers motor because of it. If BMW spent the extra few minutes to check they wouldnt have had to recall all those M3's regardless of the law, I am sure that cost them a few million $.
#32
Originally Posted by ColinRX7' post='855525' date='Jan 29 2007, 08:24 AM
Conspiracy theory that I have?
You mean goverment approved and institutionalized "conspiracy theory", kid.
Is there anything else you'd like me to type up straight out of a government standard approved textbook that falls under the heading "rookie mistakes"? Or shouldn't you have these same textbooks that I have? Rotary mechanic, metal fabricator, electrical wiring, restoration master, mechanical & fluid engineer. That's an awful lot of credentials, and review, and homework, and term tests on the exact same material that I've had to learn. Did you just not read that chapter yet? That one about building engines?
I hate to say it, but you're posts sound like your credentials are straight out of a cereal box.
That or you're just not quite on the same chapter of the book as the rest of us.
The fact is a motor should take around on avg 2 to 3 experienced hours to assembly without rushing who rushes a motor? If it takes you 2 days you suck period.
After years upon years of building with all new parts you begin to learn what you inspect and what you spec out every time. Your jabbering is nothing more then I read this somewhere and is without experience. What school teaches you is a joke to debate with. Because every time I have gone to college real world experience has taught me much more. School is to teach you the principles and theory’s behind stuff.
There’s not enough parts to make specing a lengthy process there’s jut not. We already posted how much you have to spec whoopty doo a dozen things and a straight edge. The math is elementary school how long should it take you to read 3 place holders and a decimal? This isn’t some geometry and calc stuff to design a runner and port. Its 3 digits + - math.
If you want to learn the tricks used to speed up the process without sacrificing a motor and knowing the spec already "key point" you can pm me about my setup and process. You will look something like
Look up Mickey Franklin hydroplane race boat team. There running 502 rat motors. They were 850 on avg hp all motor. They were all built by my dad as he was there head mech and builder. They never lost a race with his motors nor did anyone have a faster straight speed. He did lose one driver I guess that could be counted as a loss but we don’t like to think of losing someone in that way.
#33
Ice,
Good thing you have more humility than last time we had a debate.
^sarcastic voice
I have noticed you are promoting a shop now. As a business owner myself let me help you on some advice. Sometimes coming out and saying I am the best and know all isn't the best image. It makes you sound like an 18yr old kid w/ an attitude.
Good luck.
Good thing you have more humility than last time we had a debate.
^sarcastic voice
I have noticed you are promoting a shop now. As a business owner myself let me help you on some advice. Sometimes coming out and saying I am the best and know all isn't the best image. It makes you sound like an 18yr old kid w/ an attitude.
Good luck.
#34
Originally Posted by iceblue' post='855581' date='Jan 29 2007, 10:52 AM
Look up Mickey Franklin hydroplane race boat team. There running 502 rat motors. They were 850 on avg hp all motor. They were all built by my dad as he was there head mech and builder. They never lost a race with his motors nor did anyone have a faster straight speed. He did lose one driver I guess that could be counted as a loss but we don’t like to think of losing someone in that way.
google didnt turn anything up, theres a mickey franklin building CHRYSLERS, but sounds like a different guy...
anyways, my dad built radios, for his dads magazine in the 50's but it doesnt make me any faster with a rotary
#35
Originally Posted by rotaryinspired' post='855586' date='Jan 29 2007, 01:18 PM
Ice,
Good thing you have more humility than last time we had a debate.
^sarcastic voice
I have noticed you are promoting a shop now. As a business owner myself let me help you on some advice. Sometimes coming out and saying I am the best and know all isn't the best image. It makes you sound like an 18yr old kid w/ an attitude.
Good luck.
You don’t get to be the best sitting on your belly rolling around. You get there pushing the limits exceeding the known to be the best. Because if you never fail you will never succeed. I didn’t become ranked 40-25th on avg in the world in professional motorcross by sitting on my ***. You get there with confidence hard word dedication and talent. I don’t listen to a C rider to tell me how to ride to become bettor, you don’t listen to a new engine builder to become bettor. You watch the best in the world and practice that understand that live it and you will progress. To hell with what some douchbag on the net tries to tell you how to build a motor. rotaryinspired - You might not be striving to be the best in the world but I am. If your not striving to be the best then,,,, what are you doing?
Below is a local pic
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and first pro career arena.
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3rd place finish in that race.
#37
You can talk about being the best, but the best in the world at anything know a little about humility because they have failed and succeeded and know that failure comes w/ success.
If you want to start throwing past acheivements up I can show you alot about golf, as that is where I have made more money than anywhere, but it doesn't matter here. Just like your motocross doesn't matter about what we are talking about. Its just bragging rights. Good luck you have a lot to learn. Maybe not in motors, but in life.
And as for what I am doing? I am building my insurance agency, so when I am done my daughter can walk into a business making good money if she so desires. Not something I can do w/ golf. Motors are my way of getting away from things.
Back on topic. This has been fun.
If you want to start throwing past acheivements up I can show you alot about golf, as that is where I have made more money than anywhere, but it doesn't matter here. Just like your motocross doesn't matter about what we are talking about. Its just bragging rights. Good luck you have a lot to learn. Maybe not in motors, but in life.
And as for what I am doing? I am building my insurance agency, so when I am done my daughter can walk into a business making good money if she so desires. Not something I can do w/ golf. Motors are my way of getting away from things.
Back on topic. This has been fun.
#38
Originally Posted by iceblue' post='855581' date='Jan 29 2007, 01:52 PM
After years upon years of building with all new parts you begin to learn what you inspect and what you spec out every time.
Somebody check the age of this guy in his profile.
Nothing wrong with young people building engines, but do the math when they say they've been doing it for years upon years.
Congrats on pretending to have technician qualifications.
I'll let the colleges know that their flunkies are making out good on the internet as "pretend professionals".
#39
In after the lock! Honestly the irony in this topic is thicker then the drip from a prostitutes ***** in vegas during the CES conferance.
It doesn't take a book lernt peoples to take a few and laugh at the comedy within.
It doesn't take a book lernt peoples to take a few and laugh at the comedy within.
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