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Old 04-21-2006, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lynn E. Hanover' post='815328' date='Apr 21 2006, 08:53 PM

Well, if you get it assembled for less than a grand, that would be the lower limit for a good build.



If you had done all of the preassembly stuff, like trim the side seals and provide sterile components so my hands don't get dirty.



If I do it (and I won't anymore) and I clean the parts, trim the seals and rebuild it all with no porting at all.

Its 3 days at 65 per hour. So a rebuild with all clean parts is way cheaper.



Once you have someone walk you through it once, you can build one in 2 hours complete, if you start with clean or new parts and the seals trimmed. That is for bone stock street engines. It is an honor for somebody to pay me to do a street engine, but there is no joy in it for me. Anyone can do it.



The problem for the builder is that control of the support systems is out of our control. Control of use, temps, RPM and so on. If there is a problem, it won't be blamed on 16 missed shifts with revs to the moon,

it will be that shitty engine that so and so built for me. If the car has been running up front and just needs a fresh or spare engine, then there is seldom a phone call for other than a thank you.



If the car has never been successful, there will be problems. Cars that are never fast can have poor cooling and oiling systems and never have a problem. Then comes the new engine from "whats his Name" and the damn thing over heats all of the time, and is hard to drive off the corners. (that is called wheelspin limited **** for brains). We can't get it to idle under 2,200 RPM???? Really??? you wanted the biggest "J" bridgeport I could build, and now the damn thing won't idle down like the IT (stock engine) car you drove last year. Damn.



And it does no good at all to tune it on the dyno, leave it on the rich side and ship it off with instructions to not touch the distributor or the carb. When you show up at the track to help those people you will not recognize that engine. They will have changed everything but the paint.



So, I don't need it. Do it yourself. Find somebody close on the list who does it with some regularity and get them to show you how. Stop by here and I will show you or anyone how. This month I will be heading out to show two different locals how to go through the whole deal, no charge. The driver retired to help his son race a Miata (gag) it has pistons......and the race cars are for sale. Got a call tonight already.

I am retired, and have plenty of time to kill.



Buy the tape. Buy a manual and do it yourself.



Lynn E. Hanover




If the car doesn't sell the 2005 Cen-Div ITS champ might like to fund a weekend in it at Mid-Ohio.
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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig' post='815369' date='Apr 21 2006, 08:56 PM

If the car doesn't sell the 2005 Cen-Div ITS champ might like to fund a weekend in it at Mid-Ohio.




Here is how I think about things like who drives the cars. If you payed me to build it for you, it's your car and you can drive it. In this case (two cars) they are mine, and the same driver from 1973 has been driving all of them. We have done enduros with guest drivers all from the CanAm gang and trusted with anything you put them into. Total of 7 cars since then. Even a Camal Light Lola. An A sports racer also a Lola.



We did a 24 hour race as guest crew and drivers in a Fiat 124 Spyder. We supplied the tires and wheels (30) and the fuel and three good safe fast drivers to support the lady owner/driver. The owners, with no particular skills at engine building, decided to rebuild the tired Fiat the week before the race. Then could get no oil pressure, Had not primed the pump with grease. Over the phone I had them overfill te sump with oil and jack up the rear of the car. Presto, oil pressure. They did not mention that they had installed the thrust bearings backwards. So they were eating into the crank through the week of practice. The oil pressure kept getting worse and I convinced them to look at the bearings. The crank was still smooth at the thrust face but there was about .130" too much clearance and both thrust bearing had fallen into the sump. Silver dust was everywhere. I had new bearing with me and we swaped out the bearings for rods and mains.I put the rear main cap on backwards so a new thrust would have something to sit on. I bent the front thrust into a zigzag shape to take up the extra room. I shortened the oil pump housing and stretched the relief spring out to a foot or so and reassembled the pump with nil end clearance. Had 85 PSI from the stock pump and a damaged crank. Ran the whole race with no engine problems.



My slowest guest driver was 4 seconds a lap faster at night than the owner was in the daylight. She thought we were flogging the car. We were short shifting and playing with the radio. Tore the center out of an old fatigued wheel. Failed the left front spindle and destroyed the caliper bracket, shredded a few LF tires. I took of a rear caliper and that bracket. Threw the caliper in the parts box and used the bracket on the spare front spindle. I crimped a small pair of vice grips onto the LR brake line and taped the grips the the axel housing. Lap times were the same. Finished 5th after 24 hours. With the retirement of my driver since 1973 there is only one person left in racing who would be allowed in either car. Test driver instructor at the Transportation Research Center in Marysville Ohio. Roger Schroer.



Nothing to do with money at all. If you keep at it long enough, you will take one or two of these things home in trash bags. It is just how it works. It matters not at all who was at fault, or how much money will vanish during repairs. Figure about three grand a weekend if nothing big goes wrong.



The is no charge for running my cars, The driver pays the entry fee. And tires if he feels they are needed about a grand for tires. The sponsor had been adding quite a bit to the show. General Color in Canton Ohio.

Colors for plastics and ceramics.



The step up might be quite a surprise. The smart thing to do would be a test day, slow and easy. Once the tires are working, you would be rocketing by your IT braking point at 130+ with both feet on the throttle.



At any rate had I the time and energy, maybe we would have made another great team. The older car is spoken for and another call is due in on the 95. In the area of $22,000.00 would take it with all of the spares (Just a few and a spare Drummond engine). On the other hand you can rent it for 22,000.00 and keep it at the end of the weekend. One partial Saenz trans dog ring trans and one damaged Richmond Gear trans. About 300 to rebuild.

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