l8t apex

We PAY someone who sells us on thier ability to perform a service correctly.

It is not for the buyer to have to inspect the work before hand. Why would you? Then you would capable of knowing how to do it yourself.If the only way for mail order motor building to be regulated is to expose a bad job then so be it. I ate a lot of money making good on jobs that my employees would **** up. Guess what? even when made good they still talk about the bad service you provided.

So here on an international forum so many of us spute out well read rotary info and numbers to have several builders take advantage of those in need, well with thier praises comes the blame. I mean this for the obvious faults not BS bedroom engine tunning that kills a good build.

OK we post some picks that are what they are. Hey dont charge me for some abortion motor and frieght while I wait 4 months to get it and find that the damn thing smokes because the **** wasn't clearanced. Why would I want a motor that doesnt run....I already had one and sent it to ya?

If you dont want your work exposed dont put out crap.



Have you ever got home from B.K. and realized they gave you what you didnt want?Thats easier.

mazdaspeed7

Seems kinda like he knows its a bad port, and doesnt want proof of such. Its pretty obvious to see who here among the builders takes great pride in the art of porting. You see their pics, without so much as the slightest protest or hesitation from them. If I dont feel a port is good enough to be shown off to others in the field(either professionally or recreationally), it shouldnt be put in engine.



BDC, that was very well put on the time vs quality vs money thing. I see that EVERYWHERE, including my own work. Its all about finding a satisfactory balance of each. And its not necessarily the same for each person.

toddp31

I think that is alright to send plates away to get ported, but I don't trust a shop to put it together without me seeing the quality of their work. There is always that chance that one worker can ruin the reputation of a shop by done low quality work.

93BlackFD

my current plates i sent to gotham racing for steve kan to port, i will get to see his work up close when it comes back



and if he asks me not to take pictures, (which i'm sure he will), i'll respect that- but I myself want to see the ports



i'm glad i'm doing this myself and letting someone else port it, total piece of mind

kahren

you didnt place teh corner seal in teh right spot in that picture u forgot to account for either the distane from teh water seal groove to teh outside of where teh rotor housing actualyl sits or the space that the rotor has from all the way on its apex to the corner seal plus the gap of the rotor apex to teh rotor housing. basicly the corner seal insert seems like it would fall right in since the corner seal woudl be more on the inside and the side seal might crash into teh top of the port like ito has mentioned.

SPOautos

Damn, Brian at BNR spent hours street porting my enigine and I just figured that was a normal occurance and that all builders did that. I guess I see what you guys are saying about the small guys that tend to do thier own work wanting to take more time and do it right. I guess since its just a one man operation and there isnt anyone else to blame, all the work thats put out is a direct reflection of them so they take more of a personal approach to do things right. That just gets lost when you have a big operation.



The thing thats even worse is the fact that these builders are blaming something else and not covering these engines. Maybe before the internet and forums you might could get away with this crap but those days are long gone.....now business have to do things the right way or else the entire world will know about it.....which is a good thing.



BTW - Seeing those pics sure does make me feel better about some of the used housings I used in my engine. I was worried about them cause they werent brand new looking but compared to these housings mine were like brand new haha



I cant believe they charge people money for that ****



STEPHEN

pk797

I think both BDC and SPO pretty much hit it on the head about the state of corp. rotary rebuilds. It's the compromises that this guys make in the presute of the oh mighty dollar that ultimitly bites them in the butt. You almost can't blame them. There pressed for time and all they want to do is bang your motor out as fast as humanly possable so they can move on to the next.

If you realy want your motor to come out good, when all is said and done, it will come down to three things. 1.Time, 2.Resources & 3. Personal involvement. The more of each of these things your willing to invest the better the final outcome will be. I'm a crazy perfectionist that's why I can't even imagine trusting someone else with one of my rotary babies. It like leaving your kids with MIcheal Jackson for the weekend and wondering why they got raped.

PK797 NYC

banzaitoyota

My E-mail from May 2002 from Rob 2 Pinapple (Amazing how "chatty" he is BEFORE he gets yor $$$$). Try to get him on the line when you have a problem!!!! Any I digress:

The Email:



John, we are working on more info for the website.

Thanks for the input! The difference between the 2yr

vs. 5yr is the 2yr is a quality replacement rebuild.

The 5yr has in addition to the new rotor housings,

apex seals, bearings, oil rings/o rings, spngs etc of

the 2yr: spark plug eye brows machined for ease of

alt. plug use(like cold race plugs), new corner seals,

side seals, cryo treated oil control rings/bearings,

stage 1 oil mods, port cleanup, applying of thermal

barrier to the plug hole(to help prevent cracking).

These are the big highlights. We are not sending out

the apex seals for cryo. We would also want to send

the rotor housings so the benefits of longer life

could be realized. If only one half is done, we feel

the other will just be the weak link. We are trying to

balance keeping the cost down with increasing life.

The cryo process is not cheap! Worth every cent, but

doing the compression side would add greatly to the

base cost. Since most people are being more careful

these days with money keeping the base cost to the

minimum. We do cryo complete engines from time to time

for those who want the best longest life, most

powerful engine we can build. To do all the parts of

the engine adds $600 to the cost. I hope this was not

too long, but you seemed interested in the details. Rob





Ok. Here is a port clean-up: Maybe I missed the point of what a "clean-up entails? Sorry for the quality of the pics, my lighting sicks

banzaitoyota

these are my housings after <5000 miles. What is causing the "chatter"?

pengaru

banzai, thats horrible. no wonder your **** dyno'd so poorly, I dunno what else to say. The chatter marks are quite prominent, did they use new seals and springs in the rebuild? The porting, what the ****