Whats The Best Seven For Drifting?
02-01-2004, 08:02 PM
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Inanimate Object- Heavier cars have more grip than lighter cars! there is more weight forceing the tires down AKA more grip lighter cars have less grip. (if they both used exact same tires and weight dist) the heavier car would have more grip than the lighter car
02-01-2004, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranzo' date='Feb 1 2004, 02:07 PM
I don't see a problem with drifting any kind of car if you can do it. Everyone knows the guy in Hawaii who drifts a Camaro!! I give him mad props.. he has the usual drifters attitude kinda like who gives a **** just drive what you got and its fun to try things.
02-02-2004, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ranzo' date='Feb 2 2004, 01:07 AM
I don't see a problem with drifting any kind of car if you can do it. Everyone knows the guy in Hawaii who drifts a Camaro!! I give him mad props.. he has the usual drifters attitude kinda like who gives a **** just drive what you got and its fun to try things.
I hope everyone tries not to make drift SOOOO serious. It is fine to be serious when driving and to compete against each other but at the same time don't start hatin on everyone who is different than you. Some people suck, some people are dumb and Others are really good. These divisions are obvious in everyones minds so if you are good then turn it on and kick everyones *** but don't be an *******. I say all this because everyone likes to say you cant do this and blah blah blah. Most people are not gonna become Pro drifters so just have fun with it.
As far as slicks go......Neve seen anyone use all out slicks. Semi Slicks I have seen alot Taniguchi used them for a while on the front of his Sylvia....a couple times he used them all the way around I think. Some people can drift on S tires.......I have never tried it My Falken Azenis will hold my car faster than I care to drift. Now In the D1 grand prix only Radial tires can be used In that level of sport S tyres gives a great advantage to those who can afford them. Not everyone can afford them or afford the power to spin them on the rear. Jayroc is Pretty close in his explanation of the effects that would happen.
Using low grade tires for beginners is a good idea, I don't reccomend bald tires because that is dangerous and they won't last as long. On the front use a better tire....you can afford it because they last a long time if your alignment is correct. A higer Grip tire will allow faster drifts....or should I say require faster drifts. A low traction tire will force you to go slower. I have drifted up hill on bald tires wondering if I could climb the hill.......LOL my car moved forward sooo slow and the *** end was coming out fast .
Try different setups and see what works for you........this is the only way to tell you have to balance everything Horsepower VS tires.....suspension vs tires and skill..... Front tires vs rear tires........It is all about balance.
I hope everyone tries not to make drift SOOOO serious. It is fine to be serious when driving and to compete against each other but at the same time don't start hatin on everyone who is different than you. Some people suck, some people are dumb and Others are really good. These divisions are obvious in everyones minds so if you are good then turn it on and kick everyones *** but don't be an *******. I say all this because everyone likes to say you cant do this and blah blah blah. Most people are not gonna become Pro drifters so just have fun with it.
As far as slicks go......Neve seen anyone use all out slicks. Semi Slicks I have seen alot Taniguchi used them for a while on the front of his Sylvia....a couple times he used them all the way around I think. Some people can drift on S tires.......I have never tried it My Falken Azenis will hold my car faster than I care to drift. Now In the D1 grand prix only Radial tires can be used In that level of sport S tyres gives a great advantage to those who can afford them. Not everyone can afford them or afford the power to spin them on the rear. Jayroc is Pretty close in his explanation of the effects that would happen.
Using low grade tires for beginners is a good idea, I don't reccomend bald tires because that is dangerous and they won't last as long. On the front use a better tire....you can afford it because they last a long time if your alignment is correct. A higer Grip tire will allow faster drifts....or should I say require faster drifts. A low traction tire will force you to go slower. I have drifted up hill on bald tires wondering if I could climb the hill.......LOL my car moved forward sooo slow and the *** end was coming out fast .
Try different setups and see what works for you........this is the only way to tell you have to balance everything Horsepower VS tires.....suspension vs tires and skill..... Front tires vs rear tires........It is all about balance.
Thanks for the info - BTW I have no desire to get into drifting, just wondering why muscle cars weren't more popular.
Originally Posted by Super_Dude' date='Feb 2 2004, 03:02 AM
Inanimate Object- Heavier cars have more grip than lighter cars! there is more weight forceing the tires down AKA more grip lighter cars have less grip. (if they both used exact same tires and weight dist) the heavier car would have more grip than the lighter car
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02-10-2004, 01:57 AM
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Weird thread...
Lightweight will only work up to a point; extreme can get you into trouble. We've been trying to analyze the S13 versus FC, and why each chassis reacts the way it does. We concluded that polar moment has a lot to do with it, and weight plays a big part in relation to polar moment. If you analyze the S13 drift, it swings the rear out very slowly, and pivot point looks like somewhere in the front. The FC pivot point is more towards the center, and here light weight can bite you in the ***. A client's drift FC scaled down to 2510, and that's damn light for a Kouki FC no driver. The car reacts insanely quick on transition, and the owner is having trouble with choku's right now. The car is going 20B NA, so the extra weight might work in our favor - we'll see in a few weeks.
-Ted
Lightweight will only work up to a point; extreme can get you into trouble. We've been trying to analyze the S13 versus FC, and why each chassis reacts the way it does. We concluded that polar moment has a lot to do with it, and weight plays a big part in relation to polar moment. If you analyze the S13 drift, it swings the rear out very slowly, and pivot point looks like somewhere in the front. The FC pivot point is more towards the center, and here light weight can bite you in the ***. A client's drift FC scaled down to 2510, and that's damn light for a Kouki FC no driver. The car reacts insanely quick on transition, and the owner is having trouble with choku's right now. The car is going 20B NA, so the extra weight might work in our favor - we'll see in a few weeks.
-Ted
02-13-2004, 08:12 PM
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having never driven an FD, I can't comment on how they drive.
However, having driven both FB's and FC's, I can say this: FB's are FAR easier to drift that FC's. When you get the tail out in an FB (which is SUPER easy to do), it'll say out there until you want it back.
FC's either want to come around in a circle or grab again... the DTSS might have something to do with that?
FC's also seem FAR more prone to understeer.. I've NEVER experienced understeer in my FB...
However, having driven both FB's and FC's, I can say this: FB's are FAR easier to drift that FC's. When you get the tail out in an FB (which is SUPER easy to do), it'll say out there until you want it back.
FC's either want to come around in a circle or grab again... the DTSS might have something to do with that?
FC's also seem FAR more prone to understeer.. I've NEVER experienced understeer in my FB...
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