Rob x-7

Sometimes things have to be sacrificed for keep it cheap.

They cant offer things as options because that will make it

more expenisive for them to make, the dont make money with these

cars as it is so they try to keep costs down



You can bet that the Evo will be going alot faster then the

Subarus though. Remember that those engines that are in the Evos

are capable of alot of HP, its been along time since that 4G63 engine has been sold in this country, those engines have a HUGE aftermarket behind them. Trannys too, lol.

Narcisse91

The US Spec STi is 300/300, and supposed to be lighter than the current WRX. Like Travis said, it's a 2.5L engine, totally different than what they get in the Japanese version. For once, we got the good engine . It'll have AC, radio is an option, and the lightened rear glass is standard.



As for the current WRX tranny, it's not that weak. I've heard of a couple legitimate problems with it, but for the most part, people don't understand how to launch an AWD car. See the post above about a 6k launch on the street. That's just asking for a new tranny. When you let off the clutch at 6k, something has to give, either the tires, tranny, clutch, or crank itself. The crank will hold, the clutch is strong, and with AWD, tires usually won't give. In this case, the weak link is the tranny, but that doesn't mean it's a problem. Mine has been abused more than anyone else I know (as far as street driving) and has held up fine. I know of at least one 400 whp WRX (500+ at the crank?) that sees a lot of hard launching and abusive driving and has held up fine. It just takes some finesse.



And there are absolutely no, I repeat NO similarities between the WRC tranny and the US WRX tranny. I don't think there is a single common component.

Erik

i'm sure they'll go faster... until the new STI's get here :bigthumg:



i think mitsu is selling around 5,000 to begin with? probably lost a lot of potential customers already after subaru announced the 300hp STI arrival...

Rob x-7

After reading about both cars, Ill take a EVO, the car nearly pulled 1-g in the skid pad, and I like the styling and the interior better. Those recaro seats, momo wheel,4 piston brembo brakes front, 2 piston brembos rear, enkei wheels, nice packaging they gave it, much more upscale.



I wouldnt buy either car for $30,000 though, and the STi is going to be about $32,000, Ill take a Infinity coupe or a 350z for that money, im not a rally racer and would prefer some comfort and sophistication over those econo-box hot rods any day.

Rob x-7

i'm sure they'll go faster... until the new STI's get here :bigthumg:



i think mitsu is selling around 5,000 to begin with? probably lost a lot of potential customers already after subaru announced the 300hp STI arrival... [/quote]

you missed my point, I say the Evos will go faster because of the

HUGE aftermarket already in place for the 4G63 engine.

papasmurf

i know with wrc the stresses related are much greater ( in most cases ) than regular driving. with their trans costing more than most of our cars and STILL blowing, doesnt look great on suby's part. it does relate to the transes they put into the production cars, it is still a huge weakpoint, unless you like driving without a few gears?

Erik

i'm sure they'll go faster... until the new STI's get here :bigthumg:



i think mitsu is selling around 5,000 to begin with? probably lost a lot of potential customers already after subaru announced the 300hp STI arrival... [/quote]

you missed my point, I say the Evos will go faster because of the

HUGE aftermarket already in place for the 4G63 engine. [/quote]

guess only time will tell...



i've been checking out the wrx and evo boards recently...not as many people sound too interested in the EVO now that the new STI will be arriving...not to say it won't sell well...but i'm sure it lost some momentum...



the look of the EVO is growing on me, but I'm not sure as many people are fond of the Sufire-esque styling

Rob x-7

I wouldnt buy either of them anyhow for $32000.

Narcisse91

Care to explain how Recaro seats, Brembo brakes, Momo steering wheel and pedals, etc, makes something an econo-box?

papasmurf

is it still considered one.



momo wheels and wheel etc mean nothing honestly. big automakers have used aftermarket parts for year but noone would ever notice. take bmw for example. back even to 1996, they've used bbs wheels ( the cross spoked wheels found on the 5 series for example. the radio comes from blaupunkt and various other parts are from huge afrtermarket manufacturers.



subaru is just a company that is making their friendship with other companies apparant.. the only part on that car that is a big deal is the brembo brakes ( which are also on the g35 coupes etc etc ). it is cheaper for the automaker to contract out certian jobs from other suppliers so they do not need to develop a larger brake system for their new car when brembo already had one out.



if you look at any car you'll be able to find a lot of parts from other companies, mostly headlights.



if dodge put all those on the new neon it would STILL be a neon with the same classification.



still an econo box, with a tiny turbo and improved cooling system..