New Vette
12-27-2004, 12:39 AM
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Well, since the Vette is GM's performance car (and icon) in the US, i doubt the decision to use a leaf spring in back was because they were being cheap or anything, and it obviously works well, just as the pushrods do. Both are older technology, especially compared with coilovers and cams, the corvette is just the most advanced evolution of them. Just a different way of achieving the same performance and reliability goals. I dont really like the headlights, but what really bothers me about the car is that square cut-out they call a front intake. The rest of the car i like (even tho its visually not much of a departure from the C5), but that intake down there just is showing a lack of imagination, like the designers got tired after doing the rest, and half-assed it.
12-27-2004, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluemeaniews6' date='Dec 26 2004, 06:32 PM
Yes and no, the SVT is still hovering above 30k and the evo is up there and blah blah blah. My point being, you aren't buying a car that CAN exceed the performance of the Vette unless you buy RWD, that has a Hydroformed frame and a stable engine. The SRT-4 won't hit 12's easily because of the front wheel drive. The EVO won't hit 1 G without about 10,000 in suspension work, the SVT costs to much and has the reliability of a small unbalanced 3 legged pig trying to make it to an 8:00 movie at 7:15.
I agree with you completely, just not with those cars that you mentioned. And honestly I like people who build their cars more then those that buy them. But it is hard to ignore the potential of the new vette, especially when you consider the fact that that car will be worth less in ten years and will probably be affordable to build into a supercar.
I agree with you completely, just not with those cars that you mentioned. And honestly I like people who build their cars more then those that buy them. But it is hard to ignore the potential of the new vette, especially when you consider the fact that that car will be worth less in ten years and will probably be affordable to build into a supercar.
:cough: not to start an argument (you'll see if you read on, i highly respect all fast cars) the 03 cobra is by far the most reliable motor ford has ever produced. over 500hp with bolt ones with thousands of people with no problems. A guy on mustang world hit the 9's on the stock bottom end (crank, pistons, connecting rods) and one of the few other motors that can do that under 40k is the supra. (yes you can get a cobra under 40k new). Now there are tons of people with kenny bell superchagers that run 10s and 11s on cars that are driven every day. These motors are by far the most balanced and reliable motor ford has ever made.
Now, i like the look of the new vette. Weather or not I like that it's pushrod changes from day to day. Sometimes i think "wow, look what old tech can do with new tech applied" and sometimes i think "wow, there goes chevy again, lets use the same motor and just tweak it more." But I think overall I like that aspect. I still love the rear transaxle idea, added weight, but better weight ratio F/R. But think about this they have a 51/49 F/R wiehgt distro, but thiswill only help in the straight. For a true bread circut car you want more of a 54/46 ratio, because of this. During braking there will be more weight on the front reducing braking time and during accelleration in a turn the wieght will shift back bringing the ratio closer to 50/50 and increasing 4 wheel equality. So with thier 51/49 they're going to have more weight in the rear than the front during turn in acceleration, making the car easier to drive, but not faster on the track.
But, the C6 will still retain that reputation of best bang for the buck and an easy to driver car that makes a raod trip in a ferrari look like a pain. I think it will still be a great ride quality. I still can figure out why they aren't using irs in the rear, and don't tell me it's becasue of space.
Now there is a suspention set up.
I can't see how you can compare a vette to a porsche, but whatever. One is a potentially fast car that still looks like version 1.5 from the 70's and you need a racing license to predict the movments of, and the other looks like a modern car with otherworldly performance and can be driven on a very point shoot bassis. The porsche with mild oversteer in corners forces you to accllerate in tight turns wich means you need to know how much to brake beforehand. I would never push a porsche very hard on a mountain i didn't know. Now the 911 turbo with 4wd, now THAT is a car.... sorry, driffting off topic
Granted the evo is a bit overpriced, they can be killers. I've seen 500hp street legal evos. I don't know many 4 bangers with that much potencial within limit. It's mostly because in cali a 4wd car doesn't have to do the 2speed dyno test. Just the idle test, so no NOx to test for. This means higher compression won't effect the results much, as long as your air/fuel is perfect for smog gas emission. Granted, these aren't stock cars anymore, you still have to look to the alternatives. Personally, i want to see a C6 with a procharger at the track...
Anyways, i think my opinions are out there on the vette. Great car, still more potencial to be seen.
12-27-2004, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by majeskyb' date='Dec 26 2004, 02:05 PM
Evo MR
The Evo MR's base price is $35,500. Granted, the Evo rs is only $29k, there is still an evo at $35k
The Evo MR's base price is $35,500. Granted, the Evo rs is only $29k, there is still an evo at $35k
well if were going to compare top of the line with all the options..what does a vette come out to 55 or 60k?
12-27-2004, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluemeaniews6' date='Dec 26 2004, 08:32 PM
the SVT costs to much and has the reliability of a small unbalanced 3 legged pig trying to make it to an 8:00 movie at 7:15.
LOL...that was funny.
12-27-2004, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Poseidon' date='Dec 27 2004, 01:58 AM
:cough: not to start an argument (you'll see if you read on, i highly respect all fast cars) the 03 cobra is by far the most reliable motor ford has ever produced. over 500hp with bolt ones with thousands of people with no problems. A guy on mustang world hit the 9's on the stock bottom end (crank, pistons, connecting rods) and one of the few other motors that can do that under 40k is the supra. (yes you can get a cobra under 40k new). Now there are tons of people with kenny bell superchagers that run 10s and 11s on cars that are driven every day. These motors are by far the most balanced and reliable motor ford has ever made.
Now, i like the look of the new vette. Weather or not I like that it's pushrod changes from day to day. Sometimes i think "wow, look what old tech can do with new tech applied" and sometimes i think "wow, there goes chevy again, lets use the same motor and just tweak it more." But I think overall I like that aspect. I still love the rear transaxle idea, added weight, but better weight ratio F/R. But think about this they have a 51/49 F/R wiehgt distro, but thiswill only help in the straight. For a true bread circut car you want more of a 54/46 ratio, because of this. During braking there will be more weight on the front reducing braking time and during accelleration in a turn the wieght will shift back bringing the ratio closer to 50/50 and increasing 4 wheel equality. So with thier 51/49 they're going to have more weight in the rear than the front during turn in acceleration, making the car easier to drive, but not faster on the track.
But, the C6 will still retain that reputation of best bang for the buck and an easy to driver car that makes a raod trip in a ferrari look like a pain. I think it will still be a great ride quality. I still can figure out why they aren't using irs in the rear, and don't tell me it's becasue of space.
Now there is a suspention set up.
I can't see how you can compare a vette to a porsche, but whatever. One is a potentially fast car that still looks like version 1.5 from the 70's and you need a racing license to predict the movments of, and the other looks like a modern car with otherworldly performance and can be driven on a very point shoot bassis. The porsche with mild oversteer in corners forces you to accllerate in tight turns wich means you need to know how much to brake beforehand. I would never push a porsche very hard on a mountain i didn't know. Now the 911 turbo with 4wd, now THAT is a car.... sorry, driffting off topic
Granted the evo is a bit overpriced, they can be killers. I've seen 500hp street legal evos. I don't know many 4 bangers with that much potencial within limit. It's mostly because in cali a 4wd car doesn't have to do the 2speed dyno test. Just the idle test, so no NOx to test for. This means higher compression won't effect the results much, as long as your air/fuel is perfect for smog gas emission. Granted, these aren't stock cars anymore, you still have to look to the alternatives. Personally, i want to see a C6 with a procharger at the track...
Anyways, i think my opinions are out there on the vette. Great car, still more potencial to be seen.
Now, i like the look of the new vette. Weather or not I like that it's pushrod changes from day to day. Sometimes i think "wow, look what old tech can do with new tech applied" and sometimes i think "wow, there goes chevy again, lets use the same motor and just tweak it more." But I think overall I like that aspect. I still love the rear transaxle idea, added weight, but better weight ratio F/R. But think about this they have a 51/49 F/R wiehgt distro, but thiswill only help in the straight. For a true bread circut car you want more of a 54/46 ratio, because of this. During braking there will be more weight on the front reducing braking time and during accelleration in a turn the wieght will shift back bringing the ratio closer to 50/50 and increasing 4 wheel equality. So with thier 51/49 they're going to have more weight in the rear than the front during turn in acceleration, making the car easier to drive, but not faster on the track.
But, the C6 will still retain that reputation of best bang for the buck and an easy to driver car that makes a raod trip in a ferrari look like a pain. I think it will still be a great ride quality. I still can figure out why they aren't using irs in the rear, and don't tell me it's becasue of space.
Now there is a suspention set up.
I can't see how you can compare a vette to a porsche, but whatever. One is a potentially fast car that still looks like version 1.5 from the 70's and you need a racing license to predict the movments of, and the other looks like a modern car with otherworldly performance and can be driven on a very point shoot bassis. The porsche with mild oversteer in corners forces you to accllerate in tight turns wich means you need to know how much to brake beforehand. I would never push a porsche very hard on a mountain i didn't know. Now the 911 turbo with 4wd, now THAT is a car.... sorry, driffting off topic
Granted the evo is a bit overpriced, they can be killers. I've seen 500hp street legal evos. I don't know many 4 bangers with that much potencial within limit. It's mostly because in cali a 4wd car doesn't have to do the 2speed dyno test. Just the idle test, so no NOx to test for. This means higher compression won't effect the results much, as long as your air/fuel is perfect for smog gas emission. Granted, these aren't stock cars anymore, you still have to look to the alternatives. Personally, i want to see a C6 with a procharger at the track...
Anyways, i think my opinions are out there on the vette. Great car, still more potencial to be seen.
There are simple answers to most of this.
Lets start with the basics. Overhead cam technology was used in race cars back in the 40's (If you want I'll get specific, but dont' ask unless you really care) where as the small block chevy wasn't actually introduced to the American public in mass quantities till the 55 chevy. So over head cam technology is actually older. Next, the 4.6 liter blown engine is a reliable motor, but the block can't hold 1000+ horsepower, the LS1 can. Both of course require forged internals at that point, but the added benefit of displacement at rev makes the difference. (Understand I am not disagreeing entirely, because I am still very much afraid of the SVT) The only thing I really can't explain is the IRS on the Vette. I am guessing the lack of IRS has to do with the lack of competent IRS on any other vehicle GM produces. In fact the only IRS I know of on any of their cars in on the new Caddy line and that isn't really bullet proof yet.
IN the end V-8's are always initially meant for the drag strip, then for the curves of an oval, then for the curves of a road coarse. Or at least that is the way it seems from the big three. And, rotaries are the newest tech, and the best option for further advancement. Now ford just needs to get off their asses and greenlight the ****.
12-28-2004, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandonDrecksage' date='Dec 27 2004, 10:24 AM
well if were going to compare top of the line with all the options..what does a vette come out to 55 or 60k?
Actually, the base price for an Evo MR, with no options whatsoever is $35,499. The base price of a Corvette is $44,510. It can jump up though, to $48,870, if you add options like a 6-disk mp3 player, hud, heated power seats, power telescopic wheel, among other luxury items.