New Vette
12-24-2004, 02:47 PM
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I am impressed with the new Vette. The only thing that I dont like about it is the non pop-up headlights. To me, that almost defined the Corvette, like the circle tail lights. I cant wait for the Z06 to come out. But, I really like the C5 Vette. My father has had two, and the one he has now runs a 12.8 in the quarter with minor performance work done to it. O' yea, its a convertible! But I read that the new C6 does come close to touching the last Z06, but it is just shy of reacing it. I wish Chevy, or GM would put more power into the new C6. But this is just my opinion.
12-24-2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cps87rx7se' date='Dec 24 2004, 01:47 PM
I am impressed with the new Vette. The only thing that I dont like about it is the non pop-up headlights. To me, that almost defined the Corvette, like the circle tail lights. I cant wait for the Z06 to come out. But, I really like the C5 Vette. My father has had two, and the one he has now runs a 12.8 in the quarter with minor performance work done to it. O' yea, its a convertible! But I read that the new C6 does come close to touching the last Z06, but it is just shy of reacing it. I wish Chevy, or GM would put more power into the new C6. But this is just my opinion.
The new stock C6 is the old Z06 in terms of performance, however it uses a larger displacement and a more moderate state of tune to achieve it. And, if you want a more beefy C6 that would be the new Z06.
Yes, the vette is a transverse leaf spring, however, it isn't the old school ideal of a leaf spring when used with a live axle.
12-26-2004, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluemeaniews6' date='Dec 24 2004, 01:21 PM
The C6 outperforms the porsche in all numbers, other then that I am not going to compare. Outside of that the Vette sure as hell doesn't use leaf springs (I am hoping that was a joke) it weighs 3200lbs with 400 horsepower and pulls 1.0 G on the skidpad. The base model is priced at 45,000 dollars and it runs 12.7 in the quarter stock and 0-60 in 4.0 flat. I'd like anyone out there to find me a stock car that can melt the competition for under 50,000. Oh yeah, and the new z06 is on the way with 500 horsepower through a 7.0 C6R race block with dry sump technology and more carbon fiber body work then most LM cars. Needless to say it will be a beast with 0-60 somewhere in the 3.5 second range and Lambroghini crushing top speed. Don't doubt chevy, you have to remember that both of these cars with the six speed with get over 15 to the gallon and can whoop just about 99% of the cars on the street without blinking.
i love the new c6, but...buy a evo..toss 2k into it and you have a faster car....buy a fd put a couple of grand into it and you have a better car...buy a srt4 and put a couple of grand into it and you have a faster car...but a svt cobra and put less that a grand into it and you have a faster car....enough said..nice fast car, but still a status symbol...which is what you pay for.
12-26-2004, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BrandonDrecksage' date='Dec 26 2004, 01:06 AM
i love the new c6, but...buy a evo..toss 2k into it and you have a faster car....buy a fd put a couple of grand into it and you have a better car...buy a srt4 and put a couple of grand into it and you have a faster car...but a svt cobra and put less that a grand into it and you have a faster car....enough said..nice fast car, but still a status symbol...which is what you pay for.
Really now? I don't know about down there at sea level, but up here the 2k tuned evo's are running 13.0 if they are lucky, the SRT-4's run 13.7 on a good day, and the SVT runs in the 12's but can't corner anywhere close to 1 g, neither can the SRT-4. The FD may be good competition, but it will take a lot more money then that. You show me a car that runs 12.7 stock in the quarter mile, pulls 1 g on the skidpad, tops out at 190mph AND runs 0-60 in or around 4.0 seconds. Then you might start to see the new vette material. Porsches are the new cars for guys with little dicks. Vette's have become the ultimate in bargain based performance because they don't plow through corners like evo's and SRT-4's, they don't have F/i problems and nasty blower whine louder then the exhaust like the SVT and they get better gas mileage then all but one of those cars. Oh yeah, and they only cost 10,000 more then an evo VIII. No offense, but that whole line of turbo tweaking reasoning is just flawed.
12-26-2004, 08:57 AM
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I am not going on my own experience here, I am going by the new Corvette Quarterly. They said the '04 Z06 did better than the new C6, not by much, but it did better. Here are the stats:
'05 Z51 '04 Z06
Engine: 6.0L LS2 V8 Engine: 5.7L LS6 V8 Hp: 400 @ 6000 Hp: 405 @ 6000
Torque: 400 @ 4400 RPM Torque: 400 @ 4800 RPM
Curb Weight: 3179 Curb Weight: 3118
Lap 1: 1 min 36.03 sec Lap 1: 1 min 34.93 sec
Lap 2: 1 min 36.50 sec Lap 2: 1 min 35.61 sec Lap 3: 1 min 36.42 sec Lap 3: 1 min 35.52 sec
Lap 4: 1 min 35.87 sec Lap 4: 1 min 35.15 sec
The Z51's best run does not even touch the worst run by the Z06. But still a very impressive thing for the base model 'Vette to come close to what I think is the best Corvette to date.
'05 Z51 '04 Z06
Engine: 6.0L LS2 V8 Engine: 5.7L LS6 V8 Hp: 400 @ 6000 Hp: 405 @ 6000
Torque: 400 @ 4400 RPM Torque: 400 @ 4800 RPM
Curb Weight: 3179 Curb Weight: 3118
Lap 1: 1 min 36.03 sec Lap 1: 1 min 34.93 sec
Lap 2: 1 min 36.50 sec Lap 2: 1 min 35.61 sec Lap 3: 1 min 36.42 sec Lap 3: 1 min 35.52 sec
Lap 4: 1 min 35.87 sec Lap 4: 1 min 35.15 sec
The Z51's best run does not even touch the worst run by the Z06. But still a very impressive thing for the base model 'Vette to come close to what I think is the best Corvette to date.
Originally Posted by Bluemeaniews6' date='Dec 24 2004, 01:01 PM
The new stock C6 is the old Z06 in terms of performance, however it uses a larger displacement and a more moderate state of tune to achieve it. And, if you want a more beefy C6 that would be the new Z06.
Yes, the vette is a transverse leaf spring, however, it isn't the old school ideal of a leaf spring when used with a live axle.
Yes, the vette is a transverse leaf spring, however, it isn't the old school ideal of a leaf spring when used with a live axle.
12-26-2004, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluemeaniews6' date='Dec 26 2004, 03:29 AM
Really now? I don't know about down there at sea level, but up here the 2k tuned evo's are running 13.0 if they are lucky, the SRT-4's run 13.7 on a good day, and the SVT runs in the 12's but can't corner anywhere close to 1 g, neither can the SRT-4. The FD may be good competition, but it will take a lot more money then that. You show me a car that runs 12.7 stock in the quarter mile, pulls 1 g on the skidpad, tops out at 190mph AND runs 0-60 in or around 4.0 seconds. Then you might start to see the new vette material. Porsches are the new cars for guys with little dicks. Vette's have become the ultimate in bargain based performance because they don't plow through corners like evo's and SRT-4's, they don't have F/i problems and nasty blower whine louder then the exhaust like the SVT and they get better gas mileage then all but one of those cars. Oh yeah, and they only cost 10,000 more then an evo VIII. No offense, but that whole line of turbo tweaking reasoning is just flawed.
I was saying if you put some money into them. cause thats the arguement people always use against the srt4. "well...for 22k...you could buy a used fd and build it up"...i'm just saying the same thing..for the price of a vette..you could have your self a baddass fd, svt cobra, srt4, evo, camaro/firebird....ect.
also...last time i checked...the evo didnt cost 35k
2k into a evo
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
12-26-2004, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandonDrecksage' date='Dec 26 2004, 08:43 AM
I was saying if you put some money into them. cause thats the arguement people always use against the srt4. "well...for 22k...you could buy a used fd and build it up"...i'm just saying the same thing..for the price of a vette..you could have your self a baddass fd, svt cobra, srt4, evo, camaro/firebird....ect.
also...last time i checked...the evo didnt cost 35k
2k into a evo
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
also...last time i checked...the evo didnt cost 35k
2k into a evo
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
Evo MR
The Evo MR's base price is $35,500. Granted, the Evo rs is only $29k, there is still an evo at $35k
12-26-2004, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BrandonDrecksage' date='Dec 26 2004, 09:43 AM
I was saying if you put some money into them. cause thats the arguement people always use against the srt4. "well...for 22k...you could buy a used fd and build it up"...i'm just saying the same thing..for the price of a vette..you could have your self a baddass fd, svt cobra, srt4, evo, camaro/firebird....ect.
also...last time i checked...the evo didnt cost 35k
2k into a evo
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
also...last time i checked...the evo didnt cost 35k
2k into a evo
http://www.buschurracing.com/EVO_Stage2.html
Yes and no, the SVT is still hovering above 30k and the evo is up there and blah blah blah. My point being, you aren't buying a car that CAN exceed the performance of the Vette unless you buy RWD, that has a Hydroformed frame and a stable engine. The SRT-4 won't hit 12's easily because of the front wheel drive. The EVO won't hit 1 G without about 10,000 in suspension work, the SVT costs to much and has the reliability of a small unbalanced 3 legged pig trying to make it to an 8:00 movie at 7:15.
I agree with you completely, just not with those cars that you mentioned. And honestly I like people who build their cars more then those that buy them. But it is hard to ignore the potential of the new vette, especially when you consider the fact that that car will be worth less in ten years and will probably be affordable to build into a supercar.
