FYI, if the camaro is released, the SS model will have the LS2 as a base engine. Which means an underrated version of 400 ponies will be on tap.

did someone say focus rs?

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its not a bad car

For a focus, no. It sure looks good that way. The rims aren't half-bad either

The '05 Mustang has been said to handle better than the Cobra R...it's about more than just HP.

The V10 stang was just something that a couple people in the back room of ford decided to do with an old test mule, they slapped an extra 2 cyls on one of the v8's, threw it in with the toughest tranny they could find, took it out for a spin, and went thru 3 or 4 T56 trannies. It was a one-off thing from a couple bored mustang guys, with no official company backing (far as i remember it)



And the RS is definately the best of the foci, I really like the way it looks, its very clean and stylish, especially compared with some of the "fast and furious" foci with altezza euro tail lights, outrageous "aliens have abducted my car" body kits, flatulent exhausts and "hit and run with a sherwin williams truck" paintjobs

I saw something where they took a v-10 and put it in a stock looking 04 stang.

they were testing the engine for the shelby cobra. it was awesome.



I want to get a 65 mustang and put the v10 from a f-250 in it. with mods of course.

That's the real irony. Chevy pulled off the drag stip in the late 50's in turn developing some of the best non irs american suspension ever, and now ford is making a mustang that handles great even without irs and with irs it turns much more like a 4wd car rather than the boat they're known as. The new chassis is so much better than the old one, this renovation was long overdue.



True, the gt has been suffering from lack of hp in the recent years, but as it is ford has been struggling with the balance between performance, gas mileage, and smog regulations. Chevy has done much better with the single idea of just improving upon what was already there.



It's true that ford it trying to do too much with thier mustang line, but mustangs have always been known as a tame sports car, it's the american miata. An underpowerd car with lots of potential, ford just takes it a bit farther than mazda the miata (:cough: rotary miata :cough:). What for REALLY needs if for the gt to be the highest hp mustang and for a new car to take it's place for the upcoming supermachines comming up soon. We're looking as some of the fastest cars in thier price range from all companies. The SRT-4 the new Civic-R of japan the C-6 vette look at every company and they're making more power, and getting better at passing smog regulations. The only thing that could stop this is gas prices, wich is what killed it all in the early 70's. But if ford reallly wants to compete, they need to have a car and say "this is out sports car" and the mustang just doesn't fit it. The cobra cars have always been known to the mags as one of the only cars to rival the vette's bang for buck ratio but has always fallen short due to a car layout that still screems chick car and/or american discomfot car. Heavy shifters, long throws, high places seats, bad blind spots, the car just wasn't bread for the track. It still has too much street mindedness in it's design.



Now, let there be no doubt that they can't be fast. Ford has the tech to compete with eveyone else, they just don't have the best venue for it. This is the same problem ford has faced in the past. Anyone else remember ford stuffing a huge 427 into a fairlane because they didn't have a car to compete in the new weight regulations for the NHRA? That's insange, lets go put a v8 in the back of a bettle, it would be about the same insanity.

The thing that stands out to me is where he says the car will be restricted so it won't make as much power as the GT - all of which are sold at this stage, so why would it make any difference if the new car has as much hp?



Mark

Now, let there be no doubt that they can't be fast. Ford has the tech to compete with eveyone else, they just don't have the best venue for it. This is the same problem ford has faced in the past. Anyone else remember ford stuffing a huge 427 into a fairlane because they didn't have a car to compete in the new weight regulations for the NHRA? That's insange, lets go put a v8 in the back of a bettle, it would be about the same insanity.


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Apparently you never heard of a Chevy Vega with a V-8 Shoved into the flexible frame.



Just the same though to all of this, yes the mustang has severe handling improvements for 05' but as any good racer will tell you, you still have to be able to hold the higher power cars in the straights (assuming you are running a high enough class to actually have straights) and therefore I would guess the CTS-V will trounce even the prepped new mustang just like it has been the F-Bodies and the Mustangs in almost all the classes available. And that isn't taking into account the CTS-V + that is scheduled to come out in small numbers around the same time as the BMW M5. The V + should have an LS2 that is punching out close to 500 ponies through IRS suspension and a weight of 3600lbs stock.



Oh yeah, and I don't like the RS I like the RS that has been converted to proper RWD and has a supercharged V-8 shoved into it.

what do you mean buy this bluemeanie? Do you mean you don't think it's hard to drive an only hairpin downhill mountian pass at 80mph? Or am I mistaken entirely on what you said? I hope so.