bstrange99

Everyone's thinking it, but no one's saying it.........So I will. After all of the unfortunate events that transpired throughout this whole ordeal, Atkins has defended themselves (possibly to the death). Now the judge has ruled, all the oppinions are being stated (most of which remain the same as before the ruling). In this case Atkins was apparently ruled to be in the wrong, So what's thier next move? It seems to me that they wrongfully ripped apart a long time established community, all to defend thier pride. My personal belief is that they made the wrong choice in refusing to just take a look at Kettlemans motor. A lot of grief could have been avoided by a very small amount of effort.



So now I pose my question; Is Atkins just hiding in the corner for a while, waiting for this to blow over? Or will they make a statement to help it blow over?



I'm sure that the facts were all presented in the courtroom, and they were found to be negligent. So is it a lesson learned, or a bitter defeat? I would hope that they would put some thought into this, all pride put aside, and try to rejoin the community that they helped establish?



It's ok to make a mistake, as long as you're willing to correct it when it's discovered.

genrex

The NW forum over at RX-7 Club was certainly ripped apart, and it will probably never recover without a thoughtful statement from the Atkinses. Many of the knowledgeable members left that forum because of this incident - some came to this forum, and some are gone altogether - and the people who are still on that forum are adrift. There are newbies asking questions over there, and they are not being answered because most of the people who know the answers are over here.



The only way that forum will ever recover is if the Atkinses admit what they did, and apologize. That is the adult thing to do. Based on their statement, some of us may go back over there and help the newbies. Some of us will not go back, but honest communication is the first step in the healing process.

hornbm

i think an apology from the atkins is WELL overdue

Codeblue

I for one will never be a regular poster @ WWW.RX7CLUB/NW_ATKINS/sponsored/section.com



unless they pay me my $40 and take my car off there webpage.

kettlman

well, all i can hope for is that they start taking care of there customers. they had a great defense in the court. i believe they had an attorney helping them out.he was sitting with them, yet didn't goto the stand. had a nice packet with plenty of stuff in it. had it well organized and planned. so i give props to them for having it way more organized than i did.



remember, **** will always stink.

kettlman

WELL, now. i guess it doesn't matter to the other site who was right and who was wrong. go figure. i guess thats why all those magazines aren't showing up at peoples houses. same work practices?

genrex

It's very predictable what's going to happen now. The NW forum over at the RX-7 Club will continue to lose members, and the NW forum here will continue to gain members. The word will be spread through the internet, and through the grapevine. The flow of information cannot be stopped, and the Atkinses still don't realize that.



It is my understanding that they were BANNED from this website after the last incident they caused here, which was a deliberate personal attack on the Code Blues. But the Atkinses are still here; they log on every day. I would like our moderators to explain why the Atkinses are still here, and explain why the unacceptable behavior of the Atkinses is tolerated here. Isn't it clear that they come here to cause trouble?



Please explain this to us..

genrex

Brian, quite a few of us caught the action over on the other site.



All of your beers are on the house from now on! Well done!!

CODE BLUE 2

From the very beginning, I had tried to talk to them about this kettlman/motor thing. They may have heard the words, but only had selective comprehension as to what I was trying to tell them would happen. Oh but that’s right – as so elegantly put by a former forum owner, we are nobodies. So why listen? - They are Atkins Rotary. It appears that they put no thought into even trying to find a solution; rather a quick and hasty decision on their part that nothing was wrong.



I honestly don’t blame Atkins for being upset when all the drama unfolded. Any normal company or person would defend themselves, although they could have diffused it right from the start. Maybe a statement from them telling the community that they were working on a solution to the problem concerning the engine failures instead of running to the forum owner to delete and edit everything would have been a smarter choice.



Anger then got the best of them, needing someone to pick on and someone else to place blame on so why not go after me. I had never said anything bad about them at anytime. I tried talking to Kathy on the day I lost my moderator job but instead of working out the issues, it was screaming and the unwillingness to even discuss anything - She was right, and I was wrong. She said I could have helped stop all of it or tried, and that she would never sponsor any event in the NW if Kettlman or I attended. She threw her power out at me telling me that she could easily have me removed as moderator if she told Ryan Scott she would not sponsor anything in his forum. I told her go right ahead and do what you got to do. I would have thought Ryan Scott would have been fair, and at least contacted me to ask my side, but he made a hasty decision and removed me. It wasn’t the removal of my job that bothered me, although it should have because it was two years of lots of hours and my time put into moderating, but Ryan wouldn’t even give me an explanation as why I was removed – not even F*ck you or thank you for your years of service – nothing. That bothered me about how that was handled.



All this resulted in tearing our community apart at the rx7club. Not just because of an engine gone bad, but because of opinions not being allowed, and the principle that Atkins could buy their way in our forum community and with a heavy hand, have everything deleted that was posted if it showed them in a bad light. It became one sided. So without opinions, why stay?



Then out of the blue, a thread was posted from someone at Atkins about me that wasn’t very nice, and death threats sent through pms. I responded to the posted thread, but my response must have not been liked, so the thread was deleted. Though it must have been funny at the time when they posted it, thinking it would hurt me, but it just backfired on them, and really didn’t faze me at all.



Yes, I’m pissed off because of all that has happened. I had lost a warranty on my supercharger because of this and not only a warranty on the supercharger, but I’m sure on my motor if anything should go wrong with it. I have about 3000 miles on the motor that was built last year. I have faith that I was built a strong motor, yet because the builder seems to be siding with the Atkins, I do not have any confidence that if the motor developed problems that it would be dealt with fairly.



I will never respect, like, or promote this company or anyone in it unless they can call me and apologize for some of the rotten things they did to me. Putting me in the middle was just plain out bullshit, and hatred on their part - couldn’t hurt anyone else so why not come after me. Just appalls me all the crap that took place when it could have been taken care of right from the 1st day.



I’m not sure if people are willing to forgive, but I am willing to try to repair the damage that has been done – but the call must be sincere and without screaming or accusations. Sad, but I don’t ever see that happening though, as I still see false pride and anger present. I’m willing to admit my faults and apologize for my bitterness, why can’t they?



I’d like to see them make some repairs to fix this situation. It is sad that they still have not learned a lesson about customer service. The minute that the outcome of the case was posted, they had an opportunity to say, “sorry, we were wrong in how we handled this situation, and what can we do to make it right?” I know that forum members could have given constructive feedback. The opportunity is still there to have opinions change if things are said civilly.



I don’t have anything more to say but I have been hurt by the loss of friendships.

89 Rag

Individual section mods do not make the call, we submit requests. Appropriate action is then deceided on and handed down in a fair manner on a case by case basis. This forum doesn't make a habit of outright banning of members, only certifiable asshats receive that distinct honor. The forum doesn't take a position one way or the other, in a sense it's like bitching at building maintenace because of the other tenants and thier actions, which you, the other tenants (members) disagree with. What is building maintenance going to do to help you, shove a mop up thier ***? No, there is a chain of command and everything goes through proper channels. Atkins has been warned of thier actions violating the forum rules, the ball is in thier court as to what happens in the future regarding thier presence on this forum.



To look at the issue more directly, the topic at hand is between the individual people whom are directly involved with Atkins in business transactions involving thier products, services, warranties etc. To be fair about the situation, neither of the parties involved really gave much thought to this forum until this whole situation boiled over at the club, some of you were members prior to the incident, but for the most part the NW forum here didn't have much traffic. The fact that people from both parties are members on this, or any other forum, is somewhat of a paradox. Normally people do not associate with thier enemies and/or spend time in a location that thier enemies occupy. On the other hand, defending one's self is also a strong part of the scenario which can begin with instigating a scenario to, in turn, allow a platform for the defensive posititon. Most everyone, by human nature, is compelled to find others to relate to any given situation, it provides comfort, a sense of belonging, support...In this case it seems to be a take sides kind of relation which can obviously get very ugly.



I will not entertain the idea of an open forum battle between the two parties for any reason, if threads get muttled up with bullshit they are gone, this is Nopistons.com, not bareknuckleboxing.com. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion, this is a place to express that, but blatent **** slinging will not be allowed.



The beauty in this is that my personal opinion is allowed, I can step away from a moderator standpoint and express myself in another way...



I have been on the end of this battle before, the uphill, I'm getting royally fucked side of things, to that I relate, and do not disagree with the way some of you feel, and I despise companies that take advantage of people period, let alone in less than desireable situations. All the bullshit coined phrases, you get what you pay for, blah ******* blah. Hey listen, I payed for everything I was supposed to receive, you didn't have to hunt me down for your money, you didn't have any problems cashing my check when I payed you, in otherwords I held up my end when the **** are you going to hold up yours? As coarse as this my seem it, at times is an unfortunate part of business, it is how it is handeled that seperates the good from the bad companies. For my money I roll with Pineapple Racing, a stand up company, fair, the whole nine. Others may disagree, but from my experience with them, i'm a customer for life. This might be the relationship some of you had with Atkins until recently, and it is unfortunate that a few dollars had to come between that relationship, but they are not the only game in town. If more of you are gonna fight in court by all means do so, if not, lick your wounds and move on...life is too ******* short.