OK i pull up next to a yellow rx8 and im checkin it out and hes like yah bitch i gots me a rx8 and it will waste your lil car there.. im in my FD remind you... im like dude ur dumb u dont even know what this car is do you? i was just lettin my car say hi to its lil brother and hes still like yah whatever i have a rx8 and blah blah blah so light turns green i waste his arse, and next light im like ohh by the way RX8 man this is a RX7 in case u never heard of them there twin turbo'd and a lil more powerful than yours.. but nice car anyways and i drive off as hes like u cheated and used NoZZ and crap...



ok im sorry but that was totally stupid, and a guy like that does not deservea rotary motor nor a rx8 he deserves a geo metro.... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683358.gif gaaahh people make me mad!!!

what ******* language is that? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png

ha ha, if it was from me, I was prob typing 100mph cause I was soo pissed about it. or if your talkin about him lol I wish i knew cause that is how he was talking..

dude, rx8's arent that great. mazda should ditch the renesis and bring back the 13brew. then id buy one.

i drive a tII and a geo metro best damn gas mileage ive ever got

I retract my statement on the geo metro then, infact id like to have one to get to work and back actually. but i ment that he doesnty deserve a rotary.

What? failing thread.

what makes them not great? how much were the non turboed Rx7 engines putting down?what? even the TT rx7 were making 255 (im not sure if mazda downplayed the numbers on the rx7...) hp ish..

Rx8 - NA - 232 hp....

Rx7 - TT - 255..

1990-1992 - Rx7 - NA - 160 hp , 140 Tq..

1990-1992 - rx7 - Turboed - 200 hp, 195 tq..

wow. so from a twin turbo setup you only got an extra 20 something hp?

hm.. seems to me the rx8 doesnt SUCK as nadly as you think... just gotta wait untill mazda releiases a Fied Rx8..... you know they will with their "Mazdaspeed" stuff..



i agree.. the guy DIDNT deserve to be driving the rx8.. specially if he didnt know what a FD was...

How many RX-8s have you driven turtle? It's not incredibly fast, but they are very fun to drive.

The Rx8 is as fast a stock T2 or faster... I've got numbers and timeslips to prove it, lol...



Also, my Turbo 8 makes plenty of power... I have nothing ill to say about the 8.. its not that superstar that the FD was/is, but its not bad by any means.

wow i started a hornets nest lol...



IMO the rx8 is a fine car, quick for what it is, however the FD will blow its doors off stock to stock.. the rx8 is more of a cruiser where the Fd was a road race car.. IMO they are two very different cars that use a simular motor.. i wouldnt trade my FD for a 8 however! but if you throw a turbo set on a 8 the performance may be simular but i still think the fd would get it..

Wow... is the FD the only rotary car you've owned/built? Saying an FD will blow the doors off an 8 stock for stock is like putting a Z06 vette vs a Z28 Camaro.. you can't compare the two.. one is NA and one isn't, strip that FD of the twins and see how slow it is. I have owned, driven and modified a good number of rx model vehicles and the FD is fantastic, but so is the 8...



The 8 is also more than just a cruiser, it's braking and handling capabilities are far beyond a "cruiser".



The also don't use a similar motor, the FD and FC(turbo) use a "similar" motor that they both use the same port design, etc.. but just because the 8 and the FD are rotary..I wouldn't call them similar, they have a LOT of differences.



My 8 with turbo is making over 300whp at just 8.5psi..which is as far as I'm going to take it...



I'm trying bashing the FD by any means, i dont bash any of them... but I hate when FD owners think their **** doesn't stink because they have the most famous rx model. I meet so many FD guys that look down on my FB or my FC because its "older"..when in reality either car would donkey bunch the **** out of an FD (my 8 too for that matter).. I love all rotary cars and rx owners should respect the other cars... there isnt enough love for rotary to go around, so we need to keep what we have.. if an FD owner tells somebody thinking of getting an 8 that the 8 sucks... what is that going to do for the 8 and the livelihood of the rotary..not much!

I think you got the wrong idea about my post?? expecially about the Wow... is the FD the only rotary car you've owned/built? Saying an FD will blow the doors off an 8 stock for stock is like putting a Z06 vette vs a Z28 Camaro.. you can't compare the two.. part because that was my exact point... and i dont think my shi* dont stink i have a rotary great and i love all other rotarys even the 8's id just rather own a fd over a rx8 its my opnion and preferance thats it.. and i wasnt tryin to start a war here i just chose the wrong wording i guess to get my point across..?? https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

well i beat a FD in my t2 before hehe https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Well I hate to add to this discussion. You could probably notice alot of things have changed with the rx's when mazda was being bought out by ford. At least 40% from what I hear. Needless to say. Its hard to compare these newer cars. They have effeciency over the old breeds. I think they did alright with the rx8. However I have never owned one but have driven one. Im just a college kid at the moment with my rebuilt 91 na rx7. Never driven a turbo to be honest. You have to also take into account the price tag on the fd's while they were priced incredibly high compared to the rx8s or the fcs. Im thinking its going to be difficult for mazda to output a car with ford breathing down there back. I think mazda wanted to keep the rx8 as a sporty car but ford wanted to open its interests to others by making it a passenger car also. who knows. I hear the kabura will be one nice car. Its looks nice as a fiberglas shell but how about the engine?

ill take any rx8 anytime with my 79 rx7 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif

STOCK for stock an FD will RAPE an RX8

I know people who own both and have taken both to the track.

Secondly, I hate Rotards that think an RX8 is somehow faster than an RX7 just becauses "it's a 8 not a 7 and an 8 is a higher number?" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



you rx8's newbs need to stop kidding yourselves and take your 200whp and got spend 6 grand on a turbo kit and you MIGHT be as fast as a STOCK fd https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif



the FD is Built for big power and has higher HP potential



comparing the two their is NO comparison



rx8's are COMMON and i see moms driving them too. LOL! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub..._DIR#>/sad.png



so yall can keep your rx8's ill stay with my widebody FD



funny if the RX8 reneseis engine was so much of an "improvement over the FD engine" than why is it that Most RX8 in competion use FD turbo engines with big turbo or 20b?

like The Rod millen drifting rx8, ibel ibarra rx8, speedsource rx8, these all use 13bs or 20b's

so like i said

you rx8 guys need to trade UP to an rx7 FD3S

An engine's improvement is not always measured in track times. I own both, and yeah, the FD will kill the 8 easily in stock configuration. It's just a lot of fun to drive.

"when in reality either car would donkey bunch the **** out of an FD" https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



hate to bury your ego but your turbo upgrade which probably cost you upwards of 5 grand does not even give you the power capability of the stock twins on an fd.



i personally know fd owners with almost TWICE the whp you have https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif and there's many with a lot more than that and i personally have more whp that you running my stock twins with some mods

how about "they both suck?"

whoa guys.... lets try and get along here... https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683651.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...ing_smiley.gif

Happend a few weeks ago..........

Lightning does strike twice........



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On my way to the salt mines this morn at 07:00,minding my own business and enjoying the quiet roads.... Then out of the blue I get harrassed,by guess what.........A RX8 !!!!!!!!!!!!! No respect for old cars I think to myself .. .Anyways get to a set of lights..heheheheheh,the oldone has got his "WOLF PACK" hat on.Very sorry to say but I had to show the young man what Old School is about.

On my home tonight,guess what happens again ??? ...... Dont these Rx8 people know about Old School 7's that dont stand still when they idle..heheheheheheh .Have to install an in car camera..........

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1974 Rx2 Capella Coupe 12A

OLD SCHOOL GIVES YOU BIG WOOD

Near sighted FD owners... i've owned and modified them all (Rx3 wagon, Cosmo, REPU, FB, FC, FD and FE)... and until you have, you can only go on what OTHER people say.. i love the FD and I do plan to get another one some day... but its not a god, its just a notch in the belt for mazda..they are all great.

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/baaa.gif in case you didnt notice genius i CURRENTLY own (as in not HAVE owned like you)modded 1st 2nd and a 3rd gen so yes i know what i'm talking about, and i have NO REASON to waste my money on an rx8. my nonturbo 2nd gen has almost as much whp as one of those things . . like i said before, go buy a TURBO kit for your rx8 and YOU MIGHT be as fast as a stock fd https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif kinda like your 300 whp is easily obtainable with the STOCK turbos on a 3rd gen



i never said the fd was god i was simply stating a fact. if your upset about the fact you overpaid for an rx8 dont bitch at me



i think its funny you would call me a "near sighted" fd owner when i've owned my first gen for a lot longer .

and my fd gets more looks then any rx8 and is faster then most that dont have an engine swap



you rx8 newbs make me laugh https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif



anyhow, yes stock rx8s and stock turbo fd's both suck i agree with grey gtc completely https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

Interesting standpoint, but have you actually ever driven one without the notion of "My current car(s) are better than this, this sucks" in your head?

oh and fyi since you act like your so knowledgable. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683785.gif there's no such thing as an "fe"

the rx8 is an se3p (i dont even own one and i know that)

yeah you sound like such a knowledgable rx8 owner. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.gif



oh and yeah you modded an rx3 wagon good for you i guess that makes you some kinda rotary guru now doesn't it https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683561.gif and a modded repu. sorry but unless those mods included a tii or 3 rotor swap you are lame for even Mentioning those as "modded"



and when i drive anything i compare it to what i drive. so to answer your question rx8.

i have high standards. if you other rotary owners can happily live with lowering your standards for the rx8 then i'm happy for you but i will gladly keep my fd and my older rx7s.

Considering on my VIN number it starts with "JM1FE" I believe it's safe to call it an FE along with SE3P or whatever. You should maybe attempt to "get" the point of a vehicle rather than saying it sucks because it's slower/not as good looking/doesn't handle as well than what you currently drive. Seems like you'd get behind the wheel of an Esprit V8-TT and still think it sucks. Also, a person's knowledge about a vehicle is not measured in if he/she knows the different names for cars.

i know your tryin to stick up for your rx8 friend but seriously YOU KNOW what i'm saying cuz you also own an fd and i dont need to argue with you cuz yOU KNOW!



an that being said i didn't say the rx8 was a decent car just that i didnt think it compares to fd and that it ISN"T FOR ME https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif



if you guys want it and like driving it im happy for you https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif



can we all be friends?

WoW https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/boink.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif

"it sucks because it's slower/not as good looking/doesn't handle as well"





thanks -RX8- you pretty much summed the RX8 up and YOU own one! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...R#>/tongue.gif

Nice use out of context, you'd make a great politician.

Nice going Teamrj83! You've started a riot! LOL!



Let me clear something for you guys.. RX8 isn't made for power nor to really mod (to clearify, Renesis). I've driven the 8, 2 weeks after it was delivered to local dealership. It was good, but in comparison to FD, you could feel the weight and underpower.



Regarding the engine, its hard to mod. Why, go look at the porting system. its not made to make power.. they designed it not for power but for something else.



Also for the guy who said, "take the turbos off" of an FD and see which is faster.. Come on! NO low compression engine could compete with high compression engine.. Its like me saying, why don't you turn up your boost to 20lb and I turn my boost to 20lbs and race?? At the end of the road, your engine will be toasted...



Another thing... Its so much harder for someone to turbo charge an 8. I'm glad someone has worked around the OBD2 and other junk, but those who have tried it, at the end, they goto 13bREW or 20B to make real power. Adding turbo to high compression engine means you are taking bigger risks then US FD owners and have to be very knowledgeable in tuning.... And its not good for daily in my mind.

I know I suck LoL https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.gif

I can easily be friends, i'm a nice guy... many people from the forum know me and agree... i'm sorry you think i'm attacking the FD..



I noticed your in MD.. I actually live in northern VA and would be glad to show you my 8... you can see the tuning, the styling, the handling, the braking, etc and I promise it will NOT drive anything like any other 8 you have ever been in... it gets the looks too, i promise...if there was a way to see who's car has had more eyes on it, i'd love to go against you in that competition....



I was going to go take a pic of my VIN to show you the JM1FE on the 8, but somebody already clarified it... i thought that since the others were JM1FC and JM1FD respectively.. it was safe to refer to the 8 as an FE...



I'd pretty much say this thread is dead... to each their own or to some, own them all....

Chassis codes are different for america and japan. Its a FE in america but SE3P in japan. But they have allways been that way. The FC for example is FC3S in japan, but in america the vin would allways start with JM1FC33... no S





Also by that logic if the RX8 is called a FE wouldnt that make a new RX7 a FF? NOOOOO!!!!! Dude I got the FF rx7 man!

I dont even want to think about the new rx7... the old one was just fine...

I don't think its the fact that you were attacking the FD.. Just that you think FE (RX8) engine is better than FD's without knowing the differences. Both in my mind are different engines. Its like calling inline 6 and V6 to be the same. Sure they have pistons.. but layout is different. Just as Renesis and 13Bs are different.



about the future 7s... Well, I just hope they dont put in a Renesis 2 rotor..

I dont think the renesis is a better motor...trust me... its a bitch to hold 8.5psi on it, lol... I was just defending them because a lot of people think they are junk and cant be fast.. they can be... we're all spoiled because we own a car that can make power... 300whp in the 8 is crazy for a daily driver... lots of fun...

Hey, I never said junk. Just different. To be honest, for an NA rotary to make that much power is impressive. They did do a good job on the engine, just not meant to be FI'd.



So, what are your running on your 8?? Just curious what type of ECU and how did you wired it all up?? Any issues with OBD2's or traction?

I'm running the microtech ecu along with the stock ecu. Thus far no real issues with obd2, just fine tuning the maps and its good... the only issue I have with the traction is keeping it, lol. I have 19" wheels w/ 275 tires on the rear and it still likes to get sideways.. I'm running about 7-9psi (the greddy wg sucks) with a turbosmart boost controller.. i'm swapping the boost controller out for the profec-b and trying to dial it in at a solid 8psi... the rest of the motor is stock essentially.. greddy turbo kit w/ the microtech...screw the emanage....that thing blows... exedy clutch, greddy catch can, jic suspension, volk wheels, 6pot projectu brakes, sparco seats, defi gauges and relocated battery... thats the gist of it... oh and the mazdaspeed kit w/ a seibon cf hood...