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12-24-2003, 02:49 PM
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BrandonDrecksage Posted on Dec 23 2003, 02:38 PM
QUOTE (4RotorRocket @ Dec 22 2003, 04:41 PM)
omg lmfao "lets bash on 4RR time"
Im suprised knowone metioned my T66 thread where I said I may use a 50 shot for spool up. What makes a nitrous car so different from a turbo car is when you take that bottle away from the nitrous car...their left with nothing,no power.When your in a nitrous powered car you only get the max hp out of the car when you click the ***** juice.In a turbo car you can travel through your hp range...boost.I believe in bolt ons,Supercharging and Turbocharging not injection of the ***** juice lmfao.
but you gotta realize one important thing. When your not using the n2o, your not putting stress on the engine, which would make it last longer. Another benefit would be driving in the rain, you won't have the power that makes your car hard to control, because its more stock like. I think nitrous is probably the best power adder because it isn't always on
QUOTE (4RotorRocket @ Dec 22 2003, 04:41 PM)
omg lmfao "lets bash on 4RR time"
Im suprised knowone metioned my T66 thread where I said I may use a 50 shot for spool up. What makes a nitrous car so different from a turbo car is when you take that bottle away from the nitrous car...their left with nothing,no power.When your in a nitrous powered car you only get the max hp out of the car when you click the ***** juice.In a turbo car you can travel through your hp range...boost.I believe in bolt ons,Supercharging and Turbocharging not injection of the ***** juice lmfao.
but you gotta realize one important thing. When your not using the n2o, your not putting stress on the engine, which would make it last longer. Another benefit would be driving in the rain, you won't have the power that makes your car hard to control, because its more stock like. I think nitrous is probably the best power adder because it isn't always on
You are right, when you are not using n2o there is no further stress on the engine. But having the engine cope with an institanious jump in power DOES. It is very damaging to the engine.
A turbo spools up, creating boost over a period of time not at the push of a button. If you take a car to a strip and race a turbocharged RX7 against a NA with nos. Making the same hp, in the same state of tune, on same gas, tires, ect.
The na will die first. The n2o will damage the engine greatly compaired to a turbocharger.
As for driving in the rain, well you can just stayt out of the boost, or turn it down. That way you do not loose control.
n2o is probably the worst power adder for a vehicle. It reaks havic on piston engines but damaging head gaskets but having a huge amount of pressure in the compustion chamber, kills piston rings, melts valves if not used carfully, burns valve stem seals.
On rotaries it kills apex seals and coolant o rings. It is not reliable in any way. You are trying to control a large explosion, which is difficult unless you have built the car to take that. Which 95% of "NOS" users have not. They bolt on and kill the engine.
O and to control a car that has n2o is quite difficult. If say you were in a Integra LS with a 75shot, when you hit that button you are going to loose traction. This loss of traction on the drive and directional wheels can cause you to crash very easily.
In a RWD car like an RX7 it would be a little more controlabel, but not much. You could control it better because of the weight transfer during acceleration. This would add to the traction. Also if you do lose traction at the drive wheels you can still control where the car is pointed because your directinal wheels still have traction.
Under the right surcumstances, n2o can be a helpful power adder. But it requires the same if not more modifications than a turbo to make it reliable. You need to beef up the engine to take the shock of the impact that n2o makes.
At least factory turbocharged vehicles are built to take the extra power of the turbo.
NOS=bad
Turbo= good
12-24-2003, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 89Turbo944' date='Dec 24 2003, 12:49 PM
You are right, when you are not using n2o there is no further stress on the engine. But having the engine cope with an institanious jump in power DOES. It is very damaging to the engine.
A turbo spools up, creating boost over a period of time not at the push of a button. If you take a car to a strip and race a turbocharged RX7 against a NA with nos. Making the same hp, in the same state of tune, on same gas, tires, ect.
The na will die first. The n2o will damage the engine greatly compaired to a turbocharger.
As for driving in the rain, well you can just stayt out of the boost, or turn it down. That way you do not loose control.
n2o is probably the worst power adder for a vehicle. It reaks havic on piston engines but damaging head gaskets but having a huge amount of pressure in the compustion chamber, kills piston rings, melts valves if not used carfully, burns valve stem seals.
On rotaries it kills apex seals and coolant o rings. It is not reliable in any way. You are trying to control a large explosion, which is difficult unless you have built the car to take that. Which 95% of "NOS" users have not. They bolt on and kill the engine.
O and to control a car that has n2o is quite difficult. If say you were in a Integra LS with a 75shot, when you hit that button you are going to loose traction. This loss of traction on the drive and directional wheels can cause you to crash very easily.
In a RWD car like an RX7 it would be a little more controlabel, but not much. You could control it better because of the weight transfer during acceleration. This would add to the traction. Also if you do lose traction at the drive wheels you can still control where the car is pointed because your directinal wheels still have traction.
Under the right surcumstances, n2o can be a helpful power adder. But it requires the same if not more modifications than a turbo to make it reliable. You need to beef up the engine to take the shock of the impact that n2o makes.
At least factory turbocharged vehicles are built to take the extra power of the turbo.
NOS=bad
Turbo= good
A turbo spools up, creating boost over a period of time not at the push of a button. If you take a car to a strip and race a turbocharged RX7 against a NA with nos. Making the same hp, in the same state of tune, on same gas, tires, ect.
The na will die first. The n2o will damage the engine greatly compaired to a turbocharger.
As for driving in the rain, well you can just stayt out of the boost, or turn it down. That way you do not loose control.
n2o is probably the worst power adder for a vehicle. It reaks havic on piston engines but damaging head gaskets but having a huge amount of pressure in the compustion chamber, kills piston rings, melts valves if not used carfully, burns valve stem seals.
On rotaries it kills apex seals and coolant o rings. It is not reliable in any way. You are trying to control a large explosion, which is difficult unless you have built the car to take that. Which 95% of "NOS" users have not. They bolt on and kill the engine.
O and to control a car that has n2o is quite difficult. If say you were in a Integra LS with a 75shot, when you hit that button you are going to loose traction. This loss of traction on the drive and directional wheels can cause you to crash very easily.
In a RWD car like an RX7 it would be a little more controlabel, but not much. You could control it better because of the weight transfer during acceleration. This would add to the traction. Also if you do lose traction at the drive wheels you can still control where the car is pointed because your directinal wheels still have traction.
Under the right surcumstances, n2o can be a helpful power adder. But it requires the same if not more modifications than a turbo to make it reliable. You need to beef up the engine to take the shock of the impact that n2o makes.
At least factory turbocharged vehicles are built to take the extra power of the turbo.
NOS=bad
Turbo= good
12-24-2003, 08:04 PM
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I agree with you on that, but i mean.. there are staged nitrous kits. You also dont HAVE to use a huge shot at first, you can ease it in. Im not a big nitrous user, but ive known quite a few people that do use it. As a result ive seen many pistons actually melt from the heat. I wouldnt recommend using nitrous as a main power adder unless you really dont care about reliability and are only out to have fun for a few days. :-p Or its a drag car ONLY, and doesnt see more driving time than a few seconds at a time. But if you only use a small 50-75 shot, i dont see any problem if tuned well for it. Only time i really see people blow their **** up using nitrous is by user error. They either dont retard the timing, or they do shot after shot after shot.
We're gonna test a NX 100 shot on a LS non vtec crx in a few days, i'll get video.
we'll gtech it for ya!
We're gonna test a NX 100 shot on a LS non vtec crx in a few days, i'll get video.
12-24-2003, 08:29 PM
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Ok, I dont want to go over all i just said before. "NOS" is not reliable. Regardless of the size of the shot it is damaging to your engine. Having a sudden burst of power is damaging no matter its size. A 50 shot is a wack load of hp considering that a air intake gives you 1 or 2 hp if that.
If a car has been properly tuned for n2o it will cope much better than a car without it. I imagine the fellow woth the firehawk has modified his engine to cope with that kind of power. Despite that fact, a turbo or supercharger is a much more reliable power adder. All be it more expensive, but better in the long run.
I have seen many things happen to cars with n2o. I have seen valves shoot out the head. Cars burst into flames, holes blown in blocks, and alot more.
Jims5543,I would be very intrested in the kind of set up your friend is running. Those are very impressive numbers.
I dont mean to sound anti-n2o, i like the stuff, but im just warneing people on its affects to an internal combustion engine.
If a car has been properly tuned for n2o it will cope much better than a car without it. I imagine the fellow woth the firehawk has modified his engine to cope with that kind of power. Despite that fact, a turbo or supercharger is a much more reliable power adder. All be it more expensive, but better in the long run.
I have seen many things happen to cars with n2o. I have seen valves shoot out the head. Cars burst into flames, holes blown in blocks, and alot more.
Jims5543,I would be very intrested in the kind of set up your friend is running. Those are very impressive numbers.
I dont mean to sound anti-n2o, i like the stuff, but im just warneing people on its affects to an internal combustion engine.
12-24-2003, 09:31 PM
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In all honesty I hate his car and respect it too. Its hella fast. He is hella cocky and I want to cream him with my FC so bad and know I cant unless I unscrew his bottle. LOL!!
I have toyed with adding a 50 shot to my car. But, honestly with the amount of money I just spent having the engine Street ported and 3mm seals installed I dont want to chance it.
What makes me most nervous about NOS? Cameron @ Pettit said he would never run it in any of his cars. I have so much respect for him and his knowledge of rotaries that I would never question any thing he said.
He made a comment that the N2O is brutal on the corner seals. They tend to let go.
Thats all I needed to know.
I have toyed with adding a 50 shot to my car. But, honestly with the amount of money I just spent having the engine Street ported and 3mm seals installed I dont want to chance it.
What makes me most nervous about NOS? Cameron @ Pettit said he would never run it in any of his cars. I have so much respect for him and his knowledge of rotaries that I would never question any thing he said.
He made a comment that the N2O is brutal on the corner seals. They tend to let go.
Thats all I needed to know.
12-24-2003, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 89Turbo944' date='Dec 24 2003, 03:49 PM
On rotaries it kills apex seals and coolant o rings. It is not reliable in any way. You are trying to control a large explosion, which is difficult unless you have built the car to take that. Which 95% of "NOS" users have not. They bolt on and kill the engine.
Nitrous is just like boost, if you don't know how to tune it; you're gonna pop the motor.
12-24-2003, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 89Turbo944' date='Dec 24 2003, 12:49 PM
You are right, when you are not using n2o there is no further stress on the engine. But having the engine cope with an institanious jump in power DOES. It is very damaging to the engine.
A turbo spools up, creating boost over a period of time not at the push of a button. If you take a car to a strip and race a turbocharged RX7 against a NA with nos. Making the same hp, in the same state of tune, on same gas, tires, ect.
The na will die first. The n2o will damage the engine greatly compaired to a turbocharger.
As for driving in the rain, well you can just stayt out of the boost, or turn it down. That way you do not loose control.
n2o is probably the worst power adder for a vehicle. It reaks havic on piston engines but damaging head gaskets but having a huge amount of pressure in the compustion chamber, kills piston rings, melts valves if not used carfully, burns valve stem seals.
On rotaries it kills apex seals and coolant o rings. It is not reliable in any way. You are trying to control a large explosion, which is difficult unless you have built the car to take that. Which 95% of "NOS" users have not. They bolt on and kill the engine.
O and to control a car that has n2o is quite difficult. If say you were in a Integra LS with a 75shot, when you hit that button you are going to loose traction. This loss of traction on the drive and directional wheels can cause you to crash very easily.
In a RWD car like an RX7 it would be a little more controlabel, but not much. You could control it better because of the weight transfer during acceleration. This would add to the traction. Also if you do lose traction at the drive wheels you can still control where the car is pointed because your directinal wheels still have traction.
Under the right surcumstances, n2o can be a helpful power adder. But it requires the same if not more modifications than a turbo to make it reliable. You need to beef up the engine to take the shock of the impact that n2o makes.
At least factory turbocharged vehicles are built to take the extra power of the turbo.
NOS=bad
Turbo= good
A turbo spools up, creating boost over a period of time not at the push of a button. If you take a car to a strip and race a turbocharged RX7 against a NA with nos. Making the same hp, in the same state of tune, on same gas, tires, ect.
The na will die first. The n2o will damage the engine greatly compaired to a turbocharger.
As for driving in the rain, well you can just stayt out of the boost, or turn it down. That way you do not loose control.
n2o is probably the worst power adder for a vehicle. It reaks havic on piston engines but damaging head gaskets but having a huge amount of pressure in the compustion chamber, kills piston rings, melts valves if not used carfully, burns valve stem seals.
On rotaries it kills apex seals and coolant o rings. It is not reliable in any way. You are trying to control a large explosion, which is difficult unless you have built the car to take that. Which 95% of "NOS" users have not. They bolt on and kill the engine.
O and to control a car that has n2o is quite difficult. If say you were in a Integra LS with a 75shot, when you hit that button you are going to loose traction. This loss of traction on the drive and directional wheels can cause you to crash very easily.
In a RWD car like an RX7 it would be a little more controlabel, but not much. You could control it better because of the weight transfer during acceleration. This would add to the traction. Also if you do lose traction at the drive wheels you can still control where the car is pointed because your directinal wheels still have traction.
Under the right surcumstances, n2o can be a helpful power adder. But it requires the same if not more modifications than a turbo to make it reliable. You need to beef up the engine to take the shock of the impact that n2o makes.
At least factory turbocharged vehicles are built to take the extra power of the turbo.
NOS=bad
Turbo= good
12-24-2003, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Revvin7' date='Dec 24 2003, 09:37 PM
How does nitrous destroy coolant o rings??
Nitrous is just like boost, if you don't know how to tune it; you're gonna pop the motor.
Nitrous is just like boost, if you don't know how to tune it; you're gonna pop the motor.