Who Is On The Atkins Diet?
08-29-2003, 01:55 PM
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Instead of quoting some bullshit, try and understand what it means and why they'd write it.
Okay, so if you have kidney troubles, you'll have more with the Atkins diet. Why? Because a high protein intake makes your kidneys work harder to metabolize it. The solution: drink more water. Yes, it's really that simple.
Higher risk of colon cancer. Why? Because if you stay true to the Atkins diet, your body creates less waste products and therefore they stay in your colon longer. The solution: eat fiber (it doesn't even count towards your total carb intake). Yes, it's really that simple.
Osteoporosis: Why? Low calcium or phosporus intake, as well as low testosterone levels and other unknown factors. Most people don't take in enough calcium as it is, and if you take milk, yogurt, etc... out of the mix it'll get worse. This one is a little tougher to handle, because you can only eat so much cheese. Maybe that's why Crystal Lite started creating diet drinks with calcium in them.
Also, Atkins suggests taking multivitamins and other suppliments to make up for lost nutrients during the stages where you eat very low carbs, but once you get up to 35-50 grams a day you really don't miss that much.
Any diabetics on here? (adult onset) My grandmother was diagnosed with diabetes last year. Now she's on Atkins and it's gone. I'd say she's more healthy. But how could that be? Well, sugar/starch is a drug. Yes, it is. It creates artificial highs in the body that the body will naturally counteract, resulting in a corresponding low. The low will create a craving for sugar, completing the circle. That's bad. If you have a high tolerance for sugar intake, you probably wouldn't notice, but if, like me, sugar ***** you up, you'll feel like *** until you get your next quick fix. IMAGINE THAT, PEOPLE'S BODIES REACT DIFFERENTLY TO THINGS. I checked my blood sugar level one day with some diabetics. The man: 270. The woman: 320. Me: 43. If they let their level get that low, they'd probably pass out because it would be such a change from their norm, but me, I felt great.
Like I said before, there are plenty of other benefits to the Atkins diet. I don't have to sleep as much, I don't crave food, my sweat doesn't smell (nice after working 4 hours at UPS), I last longer at the gym, etc... Those are all good things to me, hence my defense of this lifestyle. What...a lifestyle? Yes, it's not really a diet, it's changing your way of eating forever. Dr. Atkins did it for over 30 years and he didn't die of it...what happened?
Damn, that's enough.
My closing argument: The Atkins diet is better for me than anything else. I have even more reasons if need be, but I'm sick of talking about it with people who have never tried it and believe whatever they read in a book. Hell, you can get a doctor to recommend shocking your abs to get a 6 pack, but for some reason we still trust everything they say. I'm sending Phoenix and Jerk a certificate entitling them to a free "I told you so" for when I get colon cancer. Enjoy.
Okay, so if you have kidney troubles, you'll have more with the Atkins diet. Why? Because a high protein intake makes your kidneys work harder to metabolize it. The solution: drink more water. Yes, it's really that simple.
Higher risk of colon cancer. Why? Because if you stay true to the Atkins diet, your body creates less waste products and therefore they stay in your colon longer. The solution: eat fiber (it doesn't even count towards your total carb intake). Yes, it's really that simple.
Osteoporosis: Why? Low calcium or phosporus intake, as well as low testosterone levels and other unknown factors. Most people don't take in enough calcium as it is, and if you take milk, yogurt, etc... out of the mix it'll get worse. This one is a little tougher to handle, because you can only eat so much cheese. Maybe that's why Crystal Lite started creating diet drinks with calcium in them.
Also, Atkins suggests taking multivitamins and other suppliments to make up for lost nutrients during the stages where you eat very low carbs, but once you get up to 35-50 grams a day you really don't miss that much.
Any diabetics on here? (adult onset) My grandmother was diagnosed with diabetes last year. Now she's on Atkins and it's gone. I'd say she's more healthy. But how could that be? Well, sugar/starch is a drug. Yes, it is. It creates artificial highs in the body that the body will naturally counteract, resulting in a corresponding low. The low will create a craving for sugar, completing the circle. That's bad. If you have a high tolerance for sugar intake, you probably wouldn't notice, but if, like me, sugar ***** you up, you'll feel like *** until you get your next quick fix. IMAGINE THAT, PEOPLE'S BODIES REACT DIFFERENTLY TO THINGS. I checked my blood sugar level one day with some diabetics. The man: 270. The woman: 320. Me: 43. If they let their level get that low, they'd probably pass out because it would be such a change from their norm, but me, I felt great.
Like I said before, there are plenty of other benefits to the Atkins diet. I don't have to sleep as much, I don't crave food, my sweat doesn't smell (nice after working 4 hours at UPS), I last longer at the gym, etc... Those are all good things to me, hence my defense of this lifestyle. What...a lifestyle? Yes, it's not really a diet, it's changing your way of eating forever. Dr. Atkins did it for over 30 years and he didn't die of it...what happened?
Damn, that's enough.
My closing argument: The Atkins diet is better for me than anything else. I have even more reasons if need be, but I'm sick of talking about it with people who have never tried it and believe whatever they read in a book. Hell, you can get a doctor to recommend shocking your abs to get a 6 pack, but for some reason we still trust everything they say. I'm sending Phoenix and Jerk a certificate entitling them to a free "I told you so" for when I get colon cancer. Enjoy.
08-29-2003, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by banzaitoyota' date='Aug 29 2003, 02:51 PM
Yes, the Tuttles display and practice many Christian tendencies on their show and in person.... NOT!
She's really into her faith though, she's not on the show though so you wouldn't know
08-29-2003, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Aug 29 2003, 02:55 PM
Instead of quoting some bullshit, try and understand what it means and why they'd write it.
Blah blah blah.
Blah blah blah.
What I pasted was found through a quick search, it isn't what I live by, calm down.
Yes, certain "bad" points about the Atkins was outlined based on if you already have certain "Problems". Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
But the fact still remains about what our body does with Carbs that is POSITIVE and that REGULAR OLD FASHIONED DIETING is still the "HEALTHIEST" (Please read slowly) way to lose weight.
There's no arguement, so end it.
I never said you couldn't do the atkins diet, so ignore me and all teh warnings, live life, after all..."It's just the internet" right?
08-29-2003, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII' date='Aug 29 2003, 02:32 PM
But the fact still remains about what our body does with Carbs that is POSITIVE and that REGULAR OLD FASHIONED DIETING is still the "HEALTHIEST" (Please read slowly) way to lose weight.
Good old fashioned dieting has never worked. Any diet you go on almost always results in temporary weight loss. If you want to keep weight off, you need a lifestyle change.
You're arguing against something you know NOTHING about and trying to sound smart doing it...you're not succeeding. For the record, I've lived the nutritionist-endorsed lifestyle, and the Atkins lifestyle made me feel better. I'll write a book about it or become a nursing student so you'll believe it.
As for arguing that what I said is bullshit as well, who explained what things mean and who just quoted the first doctor they found? You suck at this, so give up now.
08-29-2003, 02:43 PM
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I'll use your methods now:
Atkins vs AHA Diet
At least three formal studies of the Atkins diet have been presented at medical conferences over the past year, and all have reached similar results. The latest, conducted by Dr. Eric Westman of Duke University, was presented Monday at the annual scientific meeting of the American Heart Association, long a stronghold of support for the traditional low-fat approach.
Westman, an internist at Duke’s diet and fitness center, said he decided to study the Atkins approach because of concern over so many patients and friends taking it up on their own. He approached the Robert C. Atkins foundation in New York City to finance the research.
Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association’s Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60 percent of their calories came from fat. “It was high fat, off the scale,” he said.
After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.
Total cholesterol fell slightly in both groups. However, those on the Atkins diet had an 11 percent increase in HDL, the good cholesterol, and a 49 percent drop in triglycerides. On the AHA diet, HDL was unchanged, and triglycerides dropped 22 percent. High triglycerides may raise the risk of heart disease.
While the volunteers’ total amounts of LDL, the bad cholesterol, did not change much on either diet, there was evidence that it had shifted to a form that may be less likely to clog the arteries.
At least three formal studies of the Atkins diet have been presented at medical conferences over the past year, and all have reached similar results. The latest, conducted by Dr. Eric Westman of Duke University, was presented Monday at the annual scientific meeting of the American Heart Association, long a stronghold of support for the traditional low-fat approach.
Westman, an internist at Duke’s diet and fitness center, said he decided to study the Atkins approach because of concern over so many patients and friends taking it up on their own. He approached the Robert C. Atkins foundation in New York City to finance the research.
Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association’s Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60 percent of their calories came from fat. “It was high fat, off the scale,” he said.
After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.
Total cholesterol fell slightly in both groups. However, those on the Atkins diet had an 11 percent increase in HDL, the good cholesterol, and a 49 percent drop in triglycerides. On the AHA diet, HDL was unchanged, and triglycerides dropped 22 percent. High triglycerides may raise the risk of heart disease.
While the volunteers’ total amounts of LDL, the bad cholesterol, did not change much on either diet, there was evidence that it had shifted to a form that may be less likely to clog the arteries.
08-29-2003, 02:47 PM
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None has been published yet, but summaries have been given at medical conferences. "They all show pretty convincingly that people will lose more weight on an Atkins diet, and their cardiovascular risk factors, if anything, get better," says Dr. Kevin O'Brien, a University of Washington cardiologist involved with one of the studies
Oh no! Less risk of heart disease!
08-29-2003, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Aug 29 2003, 02:55 PM
Like I said before, there are plenty of other benefits to the Atkins diet. I don't have to sleep as much, I don't crave food, my sweat doesn't smell (nice after working 4 hours at UPS), I last longer at the gym, etc... Those are all good things to me, hence my defense of this lifestyle. What...a lifestyle? Yes, it's not really a diet, it's changing your way of eating forever. Dr. Atkins did it for over 30 years and he didn't die of it...what happened?
Damn, that's enough.
Damn, that's enough.
Heck, i've slept only 4 hours one night and woke up more awake than when I got 9 hours of sleep! It must be healthy to sleep only 4 hours!
Get my logic? exactly, it isn't. "Feeling" healthy and the atkins diet BEING healthy are two totally different things.
Telling me he didn't die on 30 years of it further proves to me you are missing both mine (and these articles) points. Even "fat" people live to 40 and beyond, so please, you are telling me that they are healthy too simply because they "lived" for so long.
"That's enough" --Actually it wasn't :P
08-29-2003, 02:50 PM
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You'll like this one:
What it doesn't mention is that food cravings go down, which is why it's possible to take in fewer calories. Maybe that's the magic.
Why do some people lose weight on this diet? Is there some magical phenomenon that occurs in the body when high carbohydrate foods are abolished? No. The Atkins diet essentially eliminates several foods and food groups like fruits, cereals, breads, grains, starches, baked goods, dairy products, starchy vegetables, and sweets. This simply translates into a significant daily calorie reduction - the basis of any weight loss diet. Any reduction of calories - whether from protein, carbohydrate or fat - will result in weight loss. The basic weight loss formula is: calories burned must exceed calories consumed. Easily done when the majority of the foods on a typical day's menu are eliminated. There's nothing revolutionary about this regimen.
What it doesn't mention is that food cravings go down, which is why it's possible to take in fewer calories. Maybe that's the magic.
08-29-2003, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Aug 29 2003, 03:40 PM
You are such a ******* moron I can't even believe it. What the body does with carbs is it stores them as fat and ***** up your sugar levels. Now that's healthy. Oh wait...we're all marathon runners so carb loading is fine.
Good old fashioned dieting has never worked. Any diet you go on almost always results in temporary weight loss. If you want to keep weight off, you need a lifestyle change.
You're arguing against something you know NOTHING about and trying to sound smart doing it...you're not succeeding. For the record, I've lived the nutritionist-endorsed lifestyle, and the Atkins lifestyle made me feel better. I'll write a book about it or become a nursing student so you'll believe it.
As for arguing that what I said is bullshit as well, who explained what things mean and who just quoted the first doctor they found? You suck at this, so give up now.
Good old fashioned dieting has never worked. Any diet you go on almost always results in temporary weight loss. If you want to keep weight off, you need a lifestyle change.
You're arguing against something you know NOTHING about and trying to sound smart doing it...you're not succeeding. For the record, I've lived the nutritionist-endorsed lifestyle, and the Atkins lifestyle made me feel better. I'll write a book about it or become a nursing student so you'll believe it.
As for arguing that what I said is bullshit as well, who explained what things mean and who just quoted the first doctor they found? You suck at this, so give up now.
Your body only stores it if you don't use it. Please, please ask every physician you know if your body does ANYTHING with carbs besides storing them as fat. Ask them if there's ANY POSSIBILITY that your body can use carbs under certain conditions. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
NEWS FLASH good old fashioned dieting IS A LIFESTYLE CHANGE. HELLO! Are you missing the concept that old fashioned dieting involves lots of excecise, movement, and "healthy" eating which in itself must be exercised continually therefore acting as a "Lifestyle" which most don't do and must CHANGE THEIR LIFESTYLE to get to.
Why do I need to explain? Want me to reitterate everything they are saying like you are? You are still using DOCTORS facts to back you up just like I am (Don't be a hypocrit) and anything ELSE you have that I don't is simply saying "I feel good and I am on the atkins diet".
Make sense and I'll start believing you. You think you "got me" but you are missing the big picture here.
Read, Slowly.
08-29-2003, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PhoenixDownVII' date='Aug 29 2003, 02:48 PM
Gee, since you "feel" better, and you don't sleep as much (that's definitely Healthy!) it must work!
Heck, i've slept only 4 hours one night and woke up more awake than when I got 9 hours of sleep! It must be healthy to sleep only 4 hours!
Get my logic? exactly, it isn't. "Feeling" healthy and the atkins diet BEING healthy are two totally different things.
Telling me he didn't die on 30 years of it further proves to me you are missing both mine (and these articles) points. Even "fat" people live to 40 and beyond, so please, you are telling me that they are healthy too simply because they "lived" for so long.
"That's enough" --Actually it wasn't :P
Heck, i've slept only 4 hours one night and woke up more awake than when I got 9 hours of sleep! It must be healthy to sleep only 4 hours!
Get my logic? exactly, it isn't. "Feeling" healthy and the atkins diet BEING healthy are two totally different things.
Telling me he didn't die on 30 years of it further proves to me you are missing both mine (and these articles) points. Even "fat" people live to 40 and beyond, so please, you are telling me that they are healthy too simply because they "lived" for so long.
"That's enough" --Actually it wasn't :P
Alex: Sorry, that category has been empty for quite some time.
Is there a difference between getting less sleep and needing less sleep? There certainly is. I don't get jack for sleep now, and it's hardly healthy, but, if your body can repair/rest itself in 75% of the time I'd say that's better. Another unsuccessful analogy for you. You stated that you slept less one night and felt fine. You must not know that a lack of sleep won't be felt fully until 48 hours later. I'm sure it's in a book somewhere, go find it.
Also, healthy people feel healthier. That's so simple I can't believe that even you couldn't understand it.
I mentioned that Dr. Atkins lived his lifestyle for 30 years to counteract the claim that no long-term results are available. Sure, fat people live for more than 30 years of being fat...another missed point. But wait, you said that fat people live to 40, not that they live for 40 years of obesity. Atkins didn't die at 30, man.