comon, if you're speeding, you're breaking the law. If you get caught, you face consequences that could easily have been prevented. So why is everyone so stuck on fighting every damn charge and ticket? I mean, most cops aren't out to get someone, they're just doing their job. They set speed limits for a reason. So why try to find loopholes to "fight the system," and try to duck out of a punishment that you very well earned? Kinda cowardly, if you ask me.







This doesn't apply to people who do indeed get screwed over by bad cops, but those are the minority.

They are only breaking if they get caught come on man LOL

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by posting this, I am by no means saying I never speed. But I do keep a money speedometer in my head, like: "ok, if I got pulled over now, it's $90. Ok, now $180...."

I fight tickets because the one's I've been handed were unreasonably issued.. 68 in a 45 was the worst, at 3:00AM, I was totally sober, driving on an EMPTY (for miles) 4 lane divided highway, where there is nearly zero risk of animal encounters, and no homes or businesses nearby. It was a speed trap, plain and simple. If I get caught being dangerous, then by all means i'll pay the fine. If I get 'caught' going fast in the middle of the night when conditions are safe to do so, that's unreasonable. I don't employ city officials and police to keep me from getting home at a better time, especially when there is little or no increase of danger to myself or others. There's a difference, and Baldy, it seems you assume that 'fast' is always 'dangerous'. When in actuality, fast can be just as safe (minus the speed factor) as slower.

WORD!!!!



Finally someone REALLY agrees wiht me. THANK YOU!

Sinful - Well...... if doing 68 in a 45 reguardless speed factor.. then why have speed limits? It's there for a reason....

lim·it ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lmt)

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The point, edge, or line beyond which something cannot or may not proceed.



A confining or restricting object, agent, or influence.



Your 68 in a 45 is completely justified. You were breaking the speed limit by 13 miles per hour. Your arguement is that if you are doing something dangerous you should be fined, but fact of the matter is you were breaking the law.



There are many things that aren't dangerous, but are against the law, and for that simple reason, you just don't do them.

I never said fast is always dangerous, but breaking the law is breaking the law. No matter how minor, you realize that there is a limit, and that limit is not flexible in the eyes of the law. Yeah, a cop might let someone go, but they have every right to write a ticket for speeding, because the bottom line is, it's the law.



I drive my motorcycle over the speed limit, knowing fully that I can stop faster and swerve more nimbly than the most other vehicles on the road. So I consider it to be a safe speed for me. But I realize that I am breaking the law, and if caught, I will take responsibility for my actions.

i know, i was replying to sinful7's response

so was I, just took me too long to type

my $.02 is that most speed limits are too slow, so it makes everyone a speeder (there have been surveys on this and basically 80% of people go the same speed reguardless of signage), so if you make everyone a speeder or a law breaker it doesnt exactly garner respect for either the laws or the people trying to enforce them.



mike

i dont wear speedos!

Most speed limits came around when the gas shortages happened the government hired a bunch of guys to do stuides and found that the best gas to distance was between 55 and 65 MPH. That's where speed limits started from what i know. And there are places where they dont exist such as montana. Speed Traps are exactly what they are. It's a way to TAX people. And it's a good way because 99% of people speed. If every one in the country stoped speeding on public roads tommorrow the government woudl tell stand up and tell you it's your civil duty to speed. It's a form of TAX that's it. Yes sometimes it warrented such as double the limit but 13 over give me a break that's a TAX.

Yeah, I have less respect for laws and lawmakers, but the cops are just earning their buck, not making decisions.



But I can understand why people blame the cops, because they're the ones people interact with.



Kinda like hate the teacher, even though the teacher teaches what the state mandates.

Yeah, I have less respect for laws and lawmakers, but the cops are just earning their buck, not making decisions.



But I can understand why people blame the cops, because they're the ones people interact with.



Kinda like hate the teacher, even though the teacher teaches what the state mandates. [/quote]

exactly, ive seen some ******* cops, but by and large they just do thier jobs



mike

Just al ittle off topic, but last time I checked, 68-45=23. Not 13.

its just a number, show the commandment that says, man shall not exceed the speed of 55mph



mike

What? I was just pointing out the math mistake. I could care less whether these people are speeding or not.

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23 over in a 45 puts you at over 50% over the limit. That's quite a bit. Last sign I saw breaking down the fines would put that at about $400.

wow. More than 20 over the limit where I am is $180, but I'm not sure what the next highest fine is. (got pulled over twice doing more than 20 over)



edit: I think they just upped it to $200

Oh, and my two cents on why I personally would fight a ticket, even knowing that I did wrong (never had occasion to do this) is that I am a poor college student. I simply would not be able to afford an extra $150 or whatever out of pocket, nor the increase in insurance that comes with having points on your license. I have no points on my license, and hopefully I will stay that way for a LONG time. I haven't even been pulled over by a cop in 2 years, and don't even remember the last time I got a ticket...



Edit: I know that here in PA, the penalty for doing 30mph over the speed limit (doesn't apply to the above scenario) is loss of license for an indeterminate amt. of time, and you are required to take the safety class to drop you below 6 points (the point at which they suspend your license). If you don't pass the test, you don't get your license back. Also, doubling the speed limit in PA is loss of license for 1 year. Just some random facts.

if that were the case (being poor), how would you afford a lawyer?

You don't need to fight tickets with a lawyer. Most of the time if you just go in and talk to the cop that pulled you over, they can reduce the fine/penalty/drop the points, whatever. I have been at the courthouse several times and witnessed drivers who have used this method. They just went in, and either talked to the cop right off the bat (before the judge even came in), or asked the judge for a reduction of the penalty (usually only works if the cop doesn't show up). Court costs of $8 are much better than a $150 ticket. (that's the court cost in PA)

yeah, talking to the cop works. I said I've been pulled over twice for going more than 20 over, but I didn't say I've gotten a ticket https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif .



But if I did, I would've paid it. I swear! No, really!

BTW, Baldy- WTF is with that avatar? Also, sorry to hear about the rice falling off your bike https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683664.gif

That Avatar be a pogo stick guy.. that little toy you bounce up on LMAO.

Oh, and BTW, everyone should fight every speeding ticket.



Why? You ask.



BECAUSE YOU CAN.

I blew past a truck on I-64 on the way to Hampton yesterday in the Audi. He was hogging the left lane. I had a small break on the right and I took it. Musta been close to 100, cause we were crusing 75-80 MPH keeping up with traffic. Then I realized I left my wallet at home. No problem, but it did keep me under 80 the rest of the day. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



I love Virginia highways. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...1047683473.gif

The only speed limit I'm aware of has to do with e=mc^2 https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/blink.png

Atleast this thread isn't half as bad as the ones posted yet, sorta. uhhh..



http://www.rx7club.com/forum/showthread.ph...threadid=195407

wow. More than 20 over the limit where I am is $180, but I'm not sure what the next highest fine is. (got pulled over twice doing more than 20 over)



edit: I think they just upped it to $200 [/quote]

Meh, I was looking at it as a percentage. Our speed limit is 100, if you were doing 150 on the highway you would get $400 or so. 23 over on the highway would be $170 or so. But then I'm only 23% over the limit, see?!!! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png

Montana has no speed limit



61-8-303. Speed restrictions -- basic rule.

(1) A person operating or driving a vehicle of any character on a public highway of this state shall drive the vehicle in a careful and prudent manner and at a rate of speed no greater than is reasonable and proper under the conditions existing at the point of operation, taking into account the amount and character of traffic, condition of brakes, weight of vehicle, grade and width of highway, condition of surface, and freedom of obstruction to the view ahead. The person operating or driving the vehicle shall drive the vehicle so as not to unduly or unreasonably endanger the life, limb, property, or other rights of a person entitled to the use of the street or highway.

We are generally allowed to drive 120 in a 100 here without being pulled over. I've gone by plenty of speed traps without being bothered.



What really burns me is if i take it to 125 I'll likely get a ticket, yet an 18-wheeler is not pulled over for going 115. What is more dangerous, me at 125 in my RX-7 or Intrepid, or a 50,000 lb truck going 115?

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Where on earth is there a speed limit sign posted over 100 MPH?

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Where on earth is there a speed limit sign posted over 100 MPH? [/quote]

its canada, 100KMH



mike

https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...>/rolleyes.gif Party pooper! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png



I've driven on the autobahn in Germany, and I've gotta say our highways in North America are constructed much safer than thiers.



Between Frankfurt and Stuttgart the road has no shoulder on either side. Trucks go 90 (KPH, it's 2003 people!) in the right lane, cars go anywhere from 100 to 140 in the centre lane and you pull into the left lane only to pass. If you have a flat tire, there is NO WHERE to go! You can't get your car even halfway off the road on the right, and there might be 2 feet between the white line and the wall on the left. Yet you can usually go as fast as you want in the left lane. Crazy! BUT, they have fewer wrecks than we do. It is a lot harder to get a license there, so drivers are generally better, cars are in better shape, so the roads are safer do to the drivers and their vehicles, not the road itself. Speed limit changes every 10 km too, it's a pain in the ass.



BTW, the Volkswagen Golf is NOT a high speed touring car! https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...#>/biggrin.png I drove a 2002, 115 hp diesel, with a 6-speed and 16 " steel wheels. With 4 people in the car I didn't feel comfordable above 140. 2 people 160. By myself 185. It just starts to feel all wobbly if you go faster. https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/bigok.gif Really nice engine for putting around town, but the tranny was hard to find the right gear.



The current government in our province promised to raise the speed limit during the election, but that was 8 years ago and still no action. Too much money to be made through fines, and it's way too easy to get a license. Cars aren't inspected for safety problems except when they are first registered to the current owner. We need much tougher testing for licensing before we can run with no speed limit here. The highways are ready, but there are too many idiots in piece of **** cars on the road.

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Where on earth is there a speed limit sign posted over 100 MPH? [/quote]

its canada, 100KMH



mike [/quote]

oh, how was I to know?https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...IR#>/smile.png It doesn't show where he's from https://www.nopistons.com/forums/pub...DIR#>/wink.png