What Is Control?
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Originally Posted by 88IntegraLS' date='Nov 16 2003, 04:16 AM
There is no control greater than control of oneself,
Desire is the solvent of control,
Control is observation without attachment,
Control is wisdom without possesion,
Absolute control is impossible . . there always exists a possibility of greater reality than ones perception.
Um, so yeah, I never saw the matrix.
Desire is the solvent of control,
Control is observation without attachment,
Control is wisdom without possesion,
Absolute control is impossible . . there always exists a possibility of greater reality than ones perception.
Um, so yeah, I never saw the matrix.
I appreciate this input a lot, with the exception of the stuff that can't be explained coughbanzaitoyotacough.
Kevin I think you're right on with that interpretation of The Matrix. Too many people can't be left to think on their own...it's the major weakness of Hollywood--everyone wants closure; happiness; resolve when it comes to an ending. Okay I'm starting to rant. I'll stop.
Keep 'em comin'!
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Originally Posted by teknics' date='Nov 16 2003, 12:06 AM
cause they're trying to teach you there's not always a definitive answer ot all of life's questions.
when you think you have the answer, there's always one difference that makes it an invalid answer.
kevin.
when you think you have the answer, there's always one difference that makes it an invalid answer.
kevin.
Who knows, i probably need to go see the 3rd one again. I probably missed a bunch of stuff.
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The description of "control" can be quite simple. In any case, "control" when described in a normal every-day sense is when a certain situation is thought to be within a person's ability to deal with that situation. I don't believe it is an illusion, because control is actually felt by the person and if that person does lose control than actual physical or even psychological effects come to pass.
Control is the state of mind that comes about when that person feels they CAN deal with the situation. If one feels they cannot deal with a situation, psychologically, they give up. Thus, "losing control". And losing control, is something that even psychologically can lead to permanent mental damage. Wether actual brain damage has occured or not is irrelevant that post traumatic symptoms may last a lifetime.
Control is the state of mind that comes about when that person feels they CAN deal with the situation. If one feels they cannot deal with a situation, psychologically, they give up. Thus, "losing control". And losing control, is something that even psychologically can lead to permanent mental damage. Wether actual brain damage has occured or not is irrelevant that post traumatic symptoms may last a lifetime.
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Originally Posted by defprun' date='Nov 17 2003, 01:16 PM
The description of "control" can be quite simple. In any case, "control" when described in a normal every-day sense is when a certain situation is thought to be within a person's ability to deal with that situation. I don't believe it is an illusion, because control is actually felt by the person and if that person does lose control than actual physical or even psychological effects come to pass.
Control is the state of mind that comes about when that person feels they CAN deal with the situation. If one feels they cannot deal with a situation, psychologically, they give up. Thus, "losing control". And losing control, is something that even psychologically can lead to permanent mental damage. Wether actual brain damage has occured or not is irrelevant that post traumatic symptoms may last a lifetime.
Control is the state of mind that comes about when that person feels they CAN deal with the situation. If one feels they cannot deal with a situation, psychologically, they give up. Thus, "losing control". And losing control, is something that even psychologically can lead to permanent mental damage. Wether actual brain damage has occured or not is irrelevant that post traumatic symptoms may last a lifetime.
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Because there are infinite forces affecting every decision you make that aren't you.
You control your fingers? Take them off, mail them to me, and get them to scratch my back. Reality, which is said to be an illusion itself (although a persistant one) creates the illusion of control. The only way you can ever be in control of anything is if all variables are within an acceptable tolerance.
BTW, this isn't necessarily how I feel...I was just answering the question.
You control your fingers? Take them off, mail them to me, and get them to scratch my back. Reality, which is said to be an illusion itself (although a persistant one) creates the illusion of control. The only way you can ever be in control of anything is if all variables are within an acceptable tolerance.
BTW, this isn't necessarily how I feel...I was just answering the question.
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Originally Posted by UniqueTII' date='Nov 17 2003, 05:51 PM
The only way you can ever be in control of anything is if all variables are within an acceptable tolerance.
Would that not mean that to have complete control you would have to be God?
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Originally Posted by Dysfnctnl85' date='Nov 17 2003, 04:34 PM
Yeah I'd like to know why some people think it's an illusion...
Control is what you do with yourself in a given situation.
You'll never actually control the situation.
Like waking up in the morning, you set the alarm. . and sleep.
Are you now in control of when you wake? No, the clock is.
Everything you encounter in a day is random, you may plan for the events. .
Will they happen as you had planned?
Control is the power of knowing, but you have to be prepared for even as you think you control yourself. It's the input of others that alters this.
Control is more an ability to adapt. Everything you think you are in control of, can usually be linked to something else you have no control over.
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
Pick any situation and it's easy to see how control really isn't there. Since we're car people, I'll take driving.
You're going 65 on your local interstate when a truck/trailer cuts you off. What do you do? You swerve. There's a concrete barrier next to you. So you brake. Your brakes suck and it's wet out. You lock up your right front tire and almost drive off of a bridge.
Now, even though I made it out of this situation alive and well, one more variable, such as a car on the shoulder, loose stones on the road, ice, poor visibility, etc... and I wouldn't be here to answer your question, unless my Subaru could've handled a 75' drop onto the road below. When I'm driving, I feel as though I'm in control of my car, but that's only because most variables (other drivers, weather, visibility, car's ability) are within an acceptable tolerance.
Pick any situation and it's easy to see how control really isn't there. Since we're car people, I'll take driving.
You're going 65 on your local interstate when a truck/trailer cuts you off. What do you do? You swerve. There's a concrete barrier next to you. So you brake. Your brakes suck and it's wet out. You lock up your right front tire and almost drive off of a bridge.
Now, even though I made it out of this situation alive and well, one more variable, such as a car on the shoulder, loose stones on the road, ice, poor visibility, etc... and I wouldn't be here to answer your question, unless my Subaru could've handled a 75' drop onto the road below. When I'm driving, I feel as though I'm in control of my car, but that's only because most variables (other drivers, weather, visibility, car's ability) are within an acceptable tolerance.
