Somebody here works at Subaru right?
12-09-2005, 04:20 AM
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the other guys who know about handling, peugot, renault, fiat, etc etc.
not sure if you have ever driven a peugeot, renault or fiat but as probably every european citizen (apart from the french maybe) (no offence whatsoever on account of forementioned french) wil agree peugeot and renault both don't have....
wait...
... just asked around at work.
as everyone here agrees at least those cars (peugeot 405, 406, 206, 106, 205 etc.. and renault clio, megane as well as citroen (gracefully forgotten) and fiat (only italian in the list) ) are really terrible drives. Especially in comparison to for instance german cars (most of those at least being fairly fun to drive) and japanese. Ford is not bad either with their european models but I do not have a clue about the US counterparts.
I have to confess that I once owned a peugeot 405 and had the chance to drive peugeot 206, 106, 406 and 305, renault clio (1992 model is not too bad) and clio from 1998 (really bad) megane, both the first and latest models which do drive liek coffins and a twingo (now those are pretty cool)
Fiat has some cars that respond and drive ok but more cars that are basically family saloons that will get you from a to b with no questions asked.
One of the few exceptions is alfa romeo. These people build descent cars most of the time.
Have driven a merc or two (190 and C220 as well as having had test rides in most of the models in their range due to my stephdad buying these new every few years), one bmw (320i) and again tested a lot of those since previously mentioned stephdad purchased a bmw if he could not find a mercedes he liked.
Also had a few drives in a VW beetle with a 3.3 liter porsche engine. Not too bad either
But all in all I have some very good arguments for sticking to JDM cars at the moment.
All previously mentioned european cars (excluding the beetle) do have one thing in common. They all do drive cheap. Nearly no maintanance needed and low on fuel consumption
12-09-2005, 06:08 AM
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Obviously, the best choice here is an early-70's Opel Manta. This car provides the exclusivity reserved for automobiles that haven't been sold in the US for about 35 years. Fairly sporty, economical, and with reasonable care, will be worth more when you go to sell it than you paid for it.
12-09-2005, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by the solitaire' post='784991' date='Dec 9 2005, 10:20 AM
not sure if you have ever driven a peugeot, renault or fiat but as probably every european citizen (apart from the french maybe) (no offence whatsoever on account of forementioned french) wil agree peugeot and renault both don't have....
wait...
... just asked around at work.
as everyone here agrees at least those cars (peugeot 405, 406, 206, 106, 205 etc.. and renault clio, megane as well as citroen (gracefully forgotten) and fiat (only italian in the list) ) are really terrible drives. Especially in comparison to for instance german cars (most of those at least being fairly fun to drive) and japanese. Ford is not bad either with their european models but I do not have a clue about the US counterparts.
I have to confess that I once owned a peugeot 405 and had the chance to drive peugeot 206, 106, 406 and 305, renault clio (1992 model is not too bad) and clio from 1998 (really bad) megane, both the first and latest models which do drive liek coffins and a twingo (now those are pretty cool)
Fiat has some cars that respond and drive ok but more cars that are basically family saloons that will get you from a to b with no questions asked.
One of the few exceptions is alfa romeo. These people build descent cars most of the time.
Have driven a merc or two (190 and C220 as well as having had test rides in most of the models in their range due to my stephdad buying these new every few years), one bmw (320i) and again tested a lot of those since previously mentioned stephdad purchased a bmw if he could not find a mercedes he liked.
Also had a few drives in a VW beetle with a 3.3 liter porsche engine. Not too bad either
But all in all I have some very good arguments for sticking to JDM cars at the moment.
All previously mentioned european cars (excluding the beetle) do have one thing in common. They all do drive cheap. Nearly no maintanance needed and low on fuel consumption
Mark
12-09-2005, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rowtareh' post='784970' date='Dec 9 2005, 12:51 AM
Honestly Dan, ANYTHING Toyota.
But they are such boring cars. The Corrola, Camry, even Celica. Best thing they've made was the Mr2 (Supra too just 'cause)...but as far as practical cars I'm not so sure I like the Camry enough to get into.
There is a baby blue automatic V6 camry with black leather for sale down the road for $3500, super clean..but meh.
LOL @ the wrangler comment. They are fun, for trips and outings perhaps, but not as a daily for me
12-09-2005, 11:04 AM
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Eh, I was serious about the Wrangler thing.
I don't know what to tell you Dan, you are about as picky as my mother is when it comes to cars. She wants a certain car, color, interior scheme, wheels, options, etc. I am just like "It's a ******* car!!"
I don't know what to tell you Dan, you are about as picky as my mother is when it comes to cars. She wants a certain car, color, interior scheme, wheels, options, etc. I am just like "It's a ******* car!!"
12-09-2005, 06:00 PM
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its a ******* daily driver/beater WHO CARES HOW IT LOOKS OR IF YOU LIKE IT.
thats why its a "BEATER"
get a toyota, itll last forever wont give you problems and is good on gas and bla bla bla.
once you get picky about a beater, guess what... ITS NO LONGER A BEATER, its another project.
kevin.
thats why its a "BEATER"
get a toyota, itll last forever wont give you problems and is good on gas and bla bla bla.
once you get picky about a beater, guess what... ITS NO LONGER A BEATER, its another project.
kevin.
12-09-2005, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dramon_Killer' post='784656' date='Dec 7 2005, 08:43 PM
But seriously, it doesnt matter if youre on the side of earth or the outside.
YOURE STILL HORIZONTAL TO IT!!! I don't see what the hard part of understanding that is.
Try this little experiment. Take a can of pop and roll it on a flat surface, it rolls pretty easily and will eventually stop due to friction caused by the air hitting the surface of the can. Keep in mind when you roll it horizontally it still has a little bit of downward motion becuase of the type of movement (you learn this in statics). So gravity affects it a little.
Now take the same can hold it up in the air and drop it the same distance you rolled the can. It will drop much quicker than it does when you roll it, why? Becuase gravity is working actively on it. Even though you put no external force on it gravity still pulled it down faster than the can moved when you tried rolling it horizontally.
Now, I know there are variables such as how fast you roll the can, but you can also do it on a larger scale, you can roll the can as far as you can and drop it from a very high building and it will still drop sooner because gravity emits a force on it called "terminal velocity" which is much more powerful than the coeffecient of cancelleation which happens when a body of mass moves horizontally.
that makes no sense because WHAT THE **** IS "POP"?