You mean teh outside, right?

 

But seriously, it doesnt matter if youre on the side of earth or the outside.



YOURE STILL HORIZONTAL TO IT!!! I don't see what the hard part of understanding that is.



Try this little experiment. Take a can of pop and roll it on a flat surface, it rolls pretty easily and will eventually stop due to friction caused by the air hitting the surface of the can. Keep in mind when you roll it horizontally it still has a little bit of downward motion becuase of the type of movement (you learn this in statics). So gravity affects it a little.



Now take the same can hold it up in the air and drop it the same distance you rolled the can. It will drop much quicker than it does when you roll it, why? Becuase gravity is working actively on it. Even though you put no external force on it gravity still pulled it down faster than the can moved when you tried rolling it horizontally.



Now, I know there are variables such as how fast you roll the can, but you can also do it on a larger scale, you can roll the can as far as you can and drop it from a very high building and it will still drop sooner because gravity emits a force on it called "terminal velocity" which is much more powerful than the coeffecient of cancelleation which happens when a body of mass moves horizontally.

 

I believe the vortex of your argument is juxtaposed with the random orbital hyperbole that so often passes for real science in this troubled time. If you carefully scrutinize the evidence, it will become clear that the origin of all gravity is in fact a giant sphincter.

 

don't forget that the vertically aligned can (honda) is located roughly 40cm from the asphalt in a perpendicular to the road kind of fashion, then consider that the horizontally aligned can (subaru) is also located roughly 40 cm (maybe closer to 30, ok) from teh same asphalt. If the engine is not there to support the cilinder and the cilinder to support the piston then most of the arguments like lying down on the road to look at how a boxer feels are kind of useless (my 2 cents)



What this comes down to is a piston moving through a cilinder with minimal amount of play due to the pistons springs keeping it in place and a thin layer of oil keeping things lubricated.



Now in an in line engine this lubrication happens rather all the way around the cilinder.



With boxerz the oil tends to flood to the bottom of the cilinder (this gravity thing again)

That has been the worry of most people in regard to boxers and wear on cilinders/pistons.



best thing would be if teh world would change to an all rotary place... oh no, that would go on the account of exclusiveness of the RX'es right ?

 

I'm still a fan of subaru.



TRue it may be more obscure car in USA. I think some parts of USA don't even have subarus at all. Subaru started importing cars into North America and selling them on the northern eastern sea board.



I like the subaru. It maybe down on power a bit. 165 HP, 165 ft-lbs torque, 3300 lbs for my 03 legacy GT 5 spd. But the car was designed in Japan, and parts from japan, usa, canada, and mexico get used to put it together in indiana. Just remember it drives more japanese/european than any honda accord or camry sold in north america. The legacy is the same design regardless of where you go in the world, so it has to compete against the other guys who know about handling, peugot, renault, fiat, etc etc.



The subaru may not have a lot of power, but it is 50/50 weight distribution with AWD and good reliability. Used subarus are not very common, atleast not in Toronto, Ontario, canada. People don't usually let them go until well into their life. Most subarus that are listed have well over 200,000 kms on on them. Testiment to why people hang onto their cars for a bit. Why wouldn't you? It costs lots of moeny to keep on switching cars all the time. If it's still good and you like it you hang on to it.



The north american camry and accords are only found in North America. It only drives well in a straightline. That's it. The engine may get some design work from japan, but the cars are mostly designed by american engineers in america, so it drive more american that cars that were originally designed in Japan.



Compare the Japanese Accord (which is the Acura TSX) and the North American Accord. They drive compeltely different. The Acura actually handles neutral even though it's FWD.

 

Maybe..

 

Just because you don't have certain cars over there doesn't mean they have exceptional handling. And what Subaru's have 50/50 weight distribution?



I've directly heard of bottom end failures occuring, and apparently they're more common than you might think on cars with any sort of tuning.



Mark

 

BACK ON TOPIC:



I completely wasted my morning, time I could have been sleeping (recovering) from last night's U2 concert.



I drove 2 hours to Long Island to pickup that Accord, and, well, I couldn't do it. I just didn't want to get something that old *shrug*.



As much as buying two cheap cars makes sense and I can do it, I think I may invest more money into just ONE car that I'll own for now as I save up for my future LS1-FD.....

 

What do you guys think is an awesome daily driver for the Northeast? Something near ~25mpg or more, good with space, good handling, good looking, reliable, FWD/AWD.... I like the new 2.5TL that replaced the Vigor's, the mid-90's maxima's seems cool...

 

Honestly Dan, ANYTHING Toyota. Pick up, car, SUV, anything!! I know people who drive little tocoma's every day, with about 250k on them, and they start right up, and run great!!



If I were you, I would get a early to mid 90's wrangler! Perfect all year round. Just gas mileage, and handling are thrown out the window!