Baldy

yeah, me neither. I'm just trying to kill time till 5. I actually hate debating, I usually end up saying, "yeah, I see your point," and walk away confused.

WishIhadaRX7

oh, forgot to mention, I heard an the radio that Tallahassee is 2nd in the nation for alcohol related traffic fatalities, or alcohol related accidents, or something like that. Also, FSU is one of the nation's top party schools, and underage drinking was soaring, with alcohol poisoning deaths, and date-rapes, before undercover stings started happening, to stop underage drinking.



As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]

How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL



They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.



That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]

well, if we're going on the premise that we can't trust one thing we read, or anything in the press, or the fatality reports put out by the DOT, or any law enforcement statistics, then whey bother arguing about any issues? You can just say nothing is true, it's all BS, and all societal issures are irrelevant. Sure would make my life a lot easier. For all I know, 90% of the cars on the road are government and law enforcement watching my every move, and the few marked cars are there just to distract my attention. [/quote]

I didn't say you can't trust ANYTHING you read, that would blowing what I said out of proportion. What I said was ANYTIME a statistic is quoted, consider the source. I am ONLY talking about statistics, ask questions, what were the demographic, has alcohol sales decreased in the area since NO one underage isn't drinking. What is the exteneded effort, are they still monitoring the area, what factors are they monitoring, who collected the data.



I question ANY statistic and usually when you read how the study was conducted you see how much of a joke they are. Take a statistics class I think you will be surprised at what you learn.



How do you choose if you believe EVERY statistic writeen like you are suggesting you do. I can find a study or report contradicting pretty much every study or report ever conducted of any impact. [/quote]

Marijuana is a good example of how statistics are used by two different parties to give very different results.

phinsup

Take any statistic, you can weight a statistic any way you want. It can be waited very easily by your demographic.



Say I want to do a study on cigar smoking, should it be allowed in public restaraunts and I walk into the local cigar hangouts and I pull 500 people. What do you think that stat would be like compared to if I went to the local smoothy shop and polled the tree hugging hippies?



That's the simplest way to "weight" the statistic, there are even more complex methods.



My example earlier of the cop giving tickets on a given road one week and the next week not patrolling the road at all. "statistically" the previous week there were 400 people speeding, this is proven by the 400 tickets that were issued and "statistically" the following week no one was speeding, this can be proven by the fact that no tickets were issued. No from that we derive the conclusion that issuing trafic tickets STOPS speeding all together.



That is VERY similar to the method used in your unmarked "sting" operation previously, is it not?

fritzfry

Tyson,



when i was in Toronto a few years back they showed on tv how the police had set up some vans parked on the side of the 401 highway (looking broke down i guess) with speed measuring/photo equipment in the back. was that successful or did they trash that? (or am i thinking of another country)

phinsup

I am sure the police department if you call them will be more then willing to explain to you the successes of that project and if they cancelled it, it was due to lack of funding, not because it didn't work.

Leetheslacker

oink

JadedX

**** the toll police here drive mustangs, camaros, any type of suv.



and try to race you to see if you will do it



**** they make enough money to buy all thses unmarked cars but cant fix the 4 foot pot hole



my friend is a maryland transit policeman and he told me that there is a new law that allows them to do random searchs on vehicle.



so if a cop pulls you over and asked to search your car and you say no. then that gives them probable cause to search your car



and if you ask y they say random search?



i told him that i would never let them search my car and he said i would be arrested and my car impounded.



he told me that they arrested and charged someone for haveing a open beer in the trunk. even though it was 2 days old.



i just think there forget the reason behind law enforcement.

Srce

To sever and preserve!!!

TYSON

I am sure the police department if you call them will be more then willing to explain to you the successes of that project and if they cancelled it, it was due to lack of funding, not because it didn't work. [/quote]

It worked, they cancelled it for political reasons.



The Conservative party used it as a campaign promise that they would eliminate it if elected. They also promised to raise the speed limit, but that didn't happen.

wraith

i have seen an impala done up like one....