So Our Cops Are Outfitting New Cars
07-09-2003, 02:57 PM
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I don't understand how an unmarked car can benefit anyone.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
07-09-2003, 03:02 PM
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A cop followed me for quite a while one time because I didn't realize his lights were on. He only had 2 lights, one white, one red, side by side on the dash, about 3 " across each.
It was night, so I thought the flashes were street lights reflecting off his wind shield. Since I didn't increase my speed or look like I tried to get away, he didn't even say anything about not stopping. Didn't give me a ticket either, mostly because he didn't take his eyes off my passenger's legs
I agree on the visibility part. At least in the city, make them more of a visual deterent. We have "ghost" cars around here, where the decals are very similar in colour to the car. Say flat black decals on a navy blue car. While this makes it easier for them to catch street crime in the act, it really is for traffic stop purposes, of course.
On the highway, I wish they looked like any other car, and actually patrolled, as opposed to camping out on the side of the road. Speeders are a lot less dangerous than illegal lane changes and careless driving, and you can't bust those people while parked on the shoulder.
It was night, so I thought the flashes were street lights reflecting off his wind shield. Since I didn't increase my speed or look like I tried to get away, he didn't even say anything about not stopping. Didn't give me a ticket either, mostly because he didn't take his eyes off my passenger's legs
I agree on the visibility part. At least in the city, make them more of a visual deterent. We have "ghost" cars around here, where the decals are very similar in colour to the car. Say flat black decals on a navy blue car. While this makes it easier for them to catch street crime in the act, it really is for traffic stop purposes, of course.
On the highway, I wish they looked like any other car, and actually patrolled, as opposed to camping out on the side of the road. Speeders are a lot less dangerous than illegal lane changes and careless driving, and you can't bust those people while parked on the shoulder.
07-09-2003, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by phinsup' date='Jul 9 2003, 03:57 PM
I don't understand how an unmarked car can benefit anyone.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around.
07-09-2003, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TYSON' date='Jul 9 2003, 04:02 PM
Speeders are a lot less dangerous than illegal lane changes and careless driving, and you can't bust those people while parked on the shoulder.
07-09-2003, 03:07 PM
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Hey, what will they use instead of the Camaro? Mustangs are so slow an RSX can probably leave them in the dust, top speed wise.
If I see even 1 Monte Carlo done up like a highway patrol car I'll probably cause an accident from laughing too hard.
07-09-2003, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Baldy' date='Jul 9 2003, 01:02 PM
[quote name='phinsup' date='Jul 9 2003, 03:57 PM'] I don't understand how an unmarked car can benefit anyone.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]
How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL
They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.
That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL
07-09-2003, 03:18 PM
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"aggresive" drivers translates to "speeding" in a cops head.
BTW, my buddy told me about an autocross somewhere in the States where somebody crashed and they called out the fire department and police. Before they left the a couple of cruisers ran the course, as well as a fire truck. Wanna guess who won?
BTW, my buddy told me about an autocross somewhere in the States where somebody crashed and they called out the fire department and police. Before they left the a couple of cruisers ran the course, as well as a fire truck. Wanna guess who won?
07-09-2003, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by phinsup' date='Jul 9 2003, 04:12 PM
[quote name='Baldy' date='Jul 9 2003, 01:02 PM'] [quote name='phinsup' date='Jul 9 2003, 03:57 PM'] I don't understand how an unmarked car can benefit anyone.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]
How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL
They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.
That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]
well, if we're going on the premise that we can't trust one thing we read, or anything in the press, or the fatality reports put out by the DOT, or any law enforcement statistics, then whey bother arguing about any issues? You can just say nothing is true, it's all BS, and all societal issures are irrelevant. Sure would make my life a lot easier. For all I know, 90% of the cars on the road are government and law enforcement watching my every move, and the few marked cars are there just to distract my attention.
07-09-2003, 03:22 PM
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I honestly don't see how there should be much debate on this issue, it's not a discussion of entrapment or anything else.
i'd like to see ONE instance where an unmarked, got to the scene of a crime faster due to being unmarked, or where a victim was being chased by his/her assailent and the unmarked was more visible and the person sought help sooner. It doesn't happen.
A sting and an unmarked car are two totally different things, I don't even want to get into stings.
You can't make the claim that an unmarked has disabled a crime in progress that a marked would not have been able to, the reality is, the crime more then likely would not have happened in the first place if a marked unit were there and ifit did the marked would have had the same result as the unmarked, stopping the crime in progess and catching the criminal.
i'd like to see ONE instance where an unmarked, got to the scene of a crime faster due to being unmarked, or where a victim was being chased by his/her assailent and the unmarked was more visible and the person sought help sooner. It doesn't happen.
A sting and an unmarked car are two totally different things, I don't even want to get into stings.
You can't make the claim that an unmarked has disabled a crime in progress that a marked would not have been able to, the reality is, the crime more then likely would not have happened in the first place if a marked unit were there and ifit did the marked would have had the same result as the unmarked, stopping the crime in progess and catching the criminal.
07-09-2003, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Baldy' date='Jul 9 2003, 01:22 PM
[quote name='phinsup' date='Jul 9 2003, 04:12 PM'] [quote name='Baldy' date='Jul 9 2003, 01:02 PM'] [quote name='phinsup' date='Jul 9 2003, 03:57 PM'] I don't understand how an unmarked car can benefit anyone.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
I think we are getting off track EVERYTIME the state or county wants more funding, they say it is due to reponse time to incidents and understaffed police dept. Tell me how unmarked helps those factors? You can't because it doesn't, it hinders them. Half the time I see the cop car before I hear it and pull over, that is not possible with unmarked.
As a whole, unmarked cars might not be good. For our area and situations, I don't mind having them around. [/quote]
How does an unmarked help any of that? I would think the increased visibility. Also you need to keep in mind who feeds yout he statistics on this BS, do you honestly believe that undercover stings have put a stop to underage drinking LOL
They are just doing it somewhere else and trust, if you ever taken a statistics class in college you know what I am talking about, statistics are a joke.
That's putting a cop on a road for a week to give out tickets, then pulling him and claiming there is NO more speeding LOL [/quote]
well, if we're going on the premise that we can't trust one thing we read, or anything in the press, or the fatality reports put out by the DOT, or any law enforcement statistics, then whey bother arguing about any issues? You can just say nothing is true, it's all BS, and all societal issures are irrelevant. Sure would make my life a lot easier. For all I know, 90% of the cars on the road are government and law enforcement watching my every move, and the few marked cars are there just to distract my attention.
I didn't say you can't trust ANYTHING you read, that would blowing what I said out of proportion. What I said was ANYTIME a statistic is quoted, consider the source. I am ONLY talking about statistics, ask questions, what were the demographic, has alcohol sales decreased in the area since NO one underage isn't drinking. What is the exteneded effort, are they still monitoring the area, what factors are they monitoring, who collected the data.
I question ANY statistic and usually when you read how the study was conducted you see how much of a joke they are. Take a statistics class I think you will be surprised at what you learn.
How do you choose if you believe EVERY statistic writeen like you are suggesting you do. I can find a study or report contradicting pretty much every study or report ever conducted of any impact.